F4 visa

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OP, I suggest you get a lawyer who understands how Pakistani adoptions interact with US immigration. It seems to me that there are different processes for USCs adopting out of Pakistan, and for Pakistanis brining adopted children as derivatives on immigrant visas.

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50 minutes ago, Boiler said:

We have seen to have spent 4 pages getting back to where we started.

 

What paper do you have ready, I am still not clear what process you did.

I have decree ready but I will get guardians ward 1898 with in a month...

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

On 4/30/2019 at 12:54 PM, Boiler said:

https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/fees/reciprocity-by-country/PK.html

 

Adoption Certificates

Adoption Records

Unavailable. Islamic law, and as a result, Pakistani law, does not recognize adoption. Pakistanis often obtain various documents identified as "adoption deeds". One common format is an "adoption deed" written on "rupee paper" and signed by the biological and "adoptive" parents. As adoptions are not recognized in Pakistan, and "rupee paper" is not a legal document, these documents are not evidence of a legal adoption and as such are not acceptable for immigration purposes. Even court documents claiming that a child has been adopted are not acceptable. Family courts, in an attempt to assist those who agree to care for the children of others, may state in the orders that an adoption has occurred, but this is not a legal adoption acceptable for immigration purposes. At best, the court can grant guardianship of a child to a non-parental adult. While such an order may be acceptable for an IR-4 visa if the child meets other qualifications, this order is not sufficient for immigration under other family-based visa categories.

OP, this is what you need to be concerned with. This is what the embassy will consult for a F4 derivative. 

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5 hours ago, SusieQQQ said:

OP, this is what you need to be concerned with. This is what the embassy will consult for a F4 derivative. 

 

5 hours ago, SusieQQQ said:

OP, this is what you need to be concerned with. This is what the embassy will consult for a F4 derivative. 

 

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5 hours ago, SusieQQQ said:

OP, this is what you need to be concerned with. This is what the embassy will consult for a F4 derivative. 

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/Intercountry-Adoption/Intercountry-Adoption-Country-Information/Pakistan.html

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36 minutes ago, Olive Garden said:

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/Intercountry-Adoption/Intercountry-Adoption-Country-Information/Pakistan.html

Read the title of the page you reference here: it is intercountry adoptions (US citizens adopting from other countries)...and as an aside the piece you quoted includes that the usual Pakistani process is not suitable for immigration visas. You highlighted above the bit about the wards act but ignored the part about the i600 process immediately preceding that, which must also be used if the adoption is to be legal for US immigration  - but the i600 process can only be used if you are a US citizen. 

 

The post Boiler referenced and I repeated,  is from the DOS page that deals with judging documents for principals and their derivatives looking to enter the US on immigrant visas. Hence my earlier post about suggesting you engage a lawyer who is versed on the difference between these for Pakistan.

 

Anyway, you follow the path you deem best...  by the time I’ve repeated myself three times in any thread I consider my contribution to be done... good luck.

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On 5/4/2019 at 5:32 PM, Olive Garden said:

I have decree ready but I will get guardians ward 1898 with in a month...

What is your current decree issued under?  Family Court Act?

The Guardians and Wards Act Decree is the main one that is needed

The fact that you do not already is concerning

 

Is the adopted child registered as your child in NADRA? 

As mentioned by others, this can become very complicated.  

Edited June 2, 2019 by pm5k
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[Frankele 2]

Hello group

We received our F4 visa in our passport along with a Brown Envelope in which our Immigrant Visa Data Summary was attached to it  that states do not open.

My question is it normal that we received the Brown envelope instead of it being sent directly to the US immigration  as others claims theirs to be??

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53 minutes ago, Frankele said:

Hello group

We received our F4 visa in our passport along with a Brown Envelope in which our Immigrant Visa Data Summary was attached to it  that states do not open.

My question is it normal that we received the Brown envelope instead of it being sent directly to the US immigration  as others claims theirs to be??

Yes.  

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12 minutes ago, missileman said:

Yes.  

Okay thanks 

I really appreciate it.

what are the other things you think we should take along to the airport aside that

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Just now, Frankele said:

Okay thanks 

I really appreciate it.

what are the other things you think we should take along to the airport aside that

You really need only your passport with valid, unexpired visa along with the unopened packet.......no other documents are required to enter the US.

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I also got only brown envelope... then we handed it to the immigration officer.. they took us in the court inside JFK  airport we took oath And submit brown envelopes