USA Today: President Donald Trump orders crackdown on 'visa overstays' in latest push against illegal immigration

[Ash.1101 1,756]

14 minutes ago, George & Roth said:

As long as we don’t allow the wall.

 

We will need to see what plans they come up with in the stipulated 4 months time, can’t really evaluate this until the specific measures are revealed. 

I'm interested in this as well.


With the wall, it was easy to paint the "unwanted big scary undocumented immigrants", but when you're talking about people that you have screened and allowed into the country. It's hard to paint the picture that they're all bad guys. The only thing I think they could go with is "They're taking our jobs!" and "Our tax money is paying for them!" but on the same token, the US government does have to admit that maybe the system is busted and that yes, they did let these people in, and these people are here because we allowed them to be.

[Visitor User 253]

What if soneone has DACA and/or TPS?

[SalishSea 17,980]

3 hours ago, Ash.1101 said:

No but I have told them to join VJ so they can start researching it all but they seem very reluctant too.

People resist the facts when they clash with their plans.

[SalishSea 17,980]

17 minutes ago, Ash.1101 said:

I'm interested in this as well.


With the wall, it was easy to paint the "unwanted big scary undocumented immigrants", but when you're talking about people that you have screened and allowed into the country. It's hard to paint the picture that they're all bad guys. The only thing I think they could go with is "They're taking our jobs!" and "Our tax money is paying for them!" but on the same token, the US government does have to admit that maybe the system is busted and that yes, they did let these people in, and these people are here because we allowed them to be.

They were allowed in under the premise that they would return to their home country.  The net effect of this will probably be greater denials of B visas at US consulates of notorious overstayer nations.

[junkmart 320]

20 minutes ago, celie&joseph said:

Thank you for the links.

 

I was excited about this reform until I read the articles. Upon reading, it seems like a thwarted way of doing things. He is going by percentages which can't define how many people ACTUALLY overstay based on country. Percentages can vary by the whole sample size. For example, Brazil has a 1.65% overstay but at a 2.2million expected departures, you're looking at 36k people overstaying in 1 year. As opposed to the 44.67% overstay from Djibouti (the highest I found on the list) with a total of 403 expected departures, leaving the overstay number of people at about 180. I agree he shouldn't make it easier for them, but these tiny countries are not where the numbers are coming from. Makes you think.. what is he trying to accomplish exactly? lol If he truly wanted to reform immigration, you would think he would target total numbers not percentages.

It didn’t seem to be well thought out, like many things this administration does, IMO.  Stephen Miller strikes again.

[junkmart 320]

6 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

People resist the facts when they clash with their plans.

On both sides

[theresaL 408]

8 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

They were allowed in under the premise that they would return to their home country.  The net effect of this will probably be greater denials of B visas at US consulates of notorious overstayer nations.

Probably but not until after much teeth gnashing and fake indignation by the MSM and others. It will be painted as more of Trump's racist, bigoted, -ic, -ist, -ist policies. All the while ignoring the fact that he has continually stated the wall is only part of the solution to a much bigger problem that includes taking measures to address visa overstays.

Edited April 23, 2019 by theresaL

[SalishSea 17,980]

2 hours ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

So I informed him that he would have to wait until he gets the EAD to get bank account for his now fiancé. 

 

Incorrect.

[Boiler 45,756]

9 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

They were allowed in under the premise that they would return to their home country.  The net effect of this will probably be greater denials of B visas at US consulates of notorious overstayer nations.

Well once somebody is here then realistically the chances of being deported are extremely low, and there is a system of support including Governmental. If you have children you get free schooling, my State you get a DL.

 

So the only control is at entry so the only thing that comes to my mind is you restrict who comes in.

[SalishSea 17,980]

1 minute ago, Boiler said:

So the only control is at entry so the only thing that comes to my mind is you restrict who comes in.

Exactly.  At the consular level, before the plane ride even.

[Boiler 45,756]

7 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

Exactly.  At the consular level, before the plane ride even.

And we know there is no way for a CO to know, well I assume the obvious iffy applications are cut out but I am also going to assume that the norm overstayer is not somebody that could be easily spotted. There might be a few where somebody was given the benefit of doubt.

 

So you either shut down most visitors or live with it, after all there will be plenty of complaints if you restrict non immigrant visa's further.

[Cathi 5,771]

I agree with Trump on literally nothing. This I agree with. AOS should be eliminated for anyone who arrives on anything but a K-1.

[Boiler 45,756]

4 minutes ago, Cathi said:

I agree with Trump on literally nothing. This I agree with. AOS should be eliminated for anyone who arrives on anything but a K-1.

What if they have been here for 5 years as a Student or on a Work Visa?

[SalishSea 17,980]

14 minutes ago, Boiler said:

So you either shut down most visitors or live with it, after all there will be plenty of complaints if you restrict non immigrant visa's further.

Yup.  Just like with immigrant visas, the fraudulent few make things difficult for the honest many.

[NYCruiser 423]

9 hours ago, Mike E said:

Because it takes more than 90 days to get a marriage certificate from LA county. 

Does not matter. Once you are married within the 90 days, then the K1 purpose has been met,