County can't find record of my divorce for packet 3

[slc12312 11]

4 minutes ago, aaron2020 said:

You will need to hire someone to get the divorce decree for you.  The US Embassy will not issue a spousal visa to your wife until you can provide the proof that you are divorced.  

Aaron, 
What irritates me is that marriage was approximately 10 months long, and that there is no record of the divorce in 1978 in court archives. I was remarried in 1984 for 25 years then divorced in 2012, in order to get married I had to show proof of divorce for that marriage license, so I know it existed at one time. I have marriage and divorce info for the second marriage, I just can't believe I can't go forward based on one from 1978 when I have current records for one that lasted 25 years. But I get it, it doesn't matter what I believe. I wish they would just go off the previous marriage, if they did, I'd be covered. 

 

[pushbrk 12,893]

1 hour ago, slc12312 said:

Aaron, 
What irritates me is that marriage was approximately 10 months long, and that there is no record of the divorce in 1978 in court archives. I was remarried in 1984 for 25 years then divorced in 2012, in order to get married I had to show proof of divorce for that marriage license, so I know it existed at one time. I have marriage and divorce info for the second marriage, I just can't believe I can't go forward based on one from 1978 when I have current records for one that lasted 25 years. But I get it, it doesn't matter what I believe. I wish they would just go off the previous marriage, if they did, I'd be covered. 

 

Whining and complaining is a waste of time and energy.  Get on with the getting on with it.  

[slc12312 11]

2 hours ago, pushbrk said:

Whining and complaining is a waste of time and energy.  Get on with the getting on with it.  

No whining, just frustrated. Found out the ex died in 2010.  There is no record of the divorce, now she is dead, and she was married 3 times after me. We all know that hiring an attorney is the last resort, just hoping someone else has had this problem and resolved it without the need of one. I will try for a death certificate, but Colorado has strict rules about that, and besides, the death certificate will reflect her 4th husbands last name. The only thing that ties the marriage license and the death certificate will be her first and middle name, and of course her parents names.

[Mollie09 1,543]

3 hours ago, slc12312 said:

No whining, just frustrated. Found out the ex died in 2010.  There is no record of the divorce, now she is dead, and she was married 3 times after me. We all know that hiring an attorney is the last resort, just hoping someone else has had this problem and resolved it without the need of one. I will try for a death certificate, but Colorado has strict rules about that, and besides, the death certificate will reflect her 4th husbands last name. The only thing that ties the marriage license and the death certificate will be her first and middle name, and of course her parents names.

Why are you going to try a death certificate? The marriage didn't end because she died, you divorced way before that.

[aaron2020 11,651]

31 minutes ago, Mollie09 said:

Why are you going to try a death certificate? The marriage didn't end because she died, you divorced way before that.

It's the next best thing.  At least he has that if he can't get the divorce decree.  Better than nothing.

[slc12312 11]

1 hour ago, Mollie09 said:

Why are you going to try a death certificate? The marriage didn't end because she died, you divorced way before that.

Because the county where I got the divorce can't seem to be able to find a record of it. Therefore, I can't prove I was divorced. At least with a death certificate, there isn't any chance of us still being married, even if it is 30 years or so later (from the divorce). Wish they would just ask for the previous marriage records, but they don't. They want all records from all marriages. 

[Jeanne Adil 1,651]

contact the lawyer who did your divorce 

it was his/her job to provide a legal divorce document

 

[pushbrk 12,893]

5 hours ago, aaron2020 said:

It's the next best thing.  At least he has that if he can't get the divorce decree.  Better than nothing.

No, it is not.  Get the divorce decree.  You need evidence each marriage was terminated before the next one.  Washing my hands here.  Hire help to get the divorce decree.

[pushbrk 12,893]

4 hours ago, slc12312 said:

Because the county where I got the divorce can't seem to be able to find a record of it. Therefore, I can't prove I was divorced. At least with a death certificate, there isn't any chance of us still being married, even if it is 30 years or so later (from the divorce). Wish they would just ask for the previous marriage records, but they don't. They want all records from all marriages. 

Wish and hope all you want.  Get the divorce decree or your current wife is NOT coming to the USA.  Get that through your scull.

[Mollie09 1,543]

4 hours ago, slc12312 said:

Because the county where I got the divorce can't seem to be able to find a record of it. Therefore, I can't prove I was divorced. At least with a death certificate, there isn't any chance of us still being married, even if it is 30 years or so later (from the divorce). Wish they would just ask for the previous marriage records, but they don't. They want all records from all marriages. 

That's optimistic of you, but it's not how bureaucracies work. Without a divorce decree, your petition isn't moving forward. Imagine there are literal boxes to tick and a flowchart to follow:

Married before: Yes

Ended in: Divorce

Must provide: Divorce decree

 

If it was ended in: Death

Must provide: Death certificate

[NikLR 13,227]

~~moved from IR1/CR1 process and procedures to DCF~~

[slc12312 11]

5 hours ago, pushbrk said:

Wish and hope all you want.  Get the divorce decree or your current wife is NOT coming to the USA.  Get that through your scull.

You need to get it through your skull.... there is NO divorce decree, NO record of the divorce with regard to the Los Angeles Superior Court or the Archives Center. They are the ones who keep these things, they have been indexed very thoroughly... there is NO record. That is the problem. Don't play me for being stupid or having a thick skull, I can read the directions, I know what I need. The original question was: What to do when there is NO record of the decree available and whether or not anyone has had this problem, and what THEY did about it. Not whether or not I need a decree. You've chimed in enough... and it is obvious the only advice you can give is to "get a decree", which really, is no advice at all should you have read what I was asking in the first place. Now that we've both washed out hands of this... have a good day. 

[slc12312 11]

Ok, it is obvious no one who has responded has any kind of experience with the same kind of situation I am in. I appreciate the attempt at trying though. I KNOW you need a divorce decree for each marriage, no need to say that over and over, it is spelled out quite clearly in my packet three directions.

The original question was NOT "do I need a divorce decree", but whether anyone has had any experience with the same issue I am having. The problem is that the issuing agency, in this case The Los Angeles County Superior Court, and the Archive Center has no record of the divorce. That is the problem. No record, no decree. Simple. California's Dept of Vital Records does not offer certified divorce decree either, according to them, I can only get those through the issuing agency, so again... no divorce decree. I realize I can hire an attorney, a paralegal, a service to get a decree, but they would still try to get one from the same gov't agencies I have, and those agencies say there is no record. So again, I was asking if anyone has had the same experience, and if so, what was done if anything. 

I DID have the decree at one time. Needed it when I got remarried 6 years later (1984) to prove I was divorced from the previous marriage. The ex probably had it when she got remarried 2 years later too. I can't contact the ex either, she died in 2010. So, there was one at some time, but now, there is no official record, and my copy was lost some 40 years ago. 

I will contact the consulate since this is a DCF to see what they say, then seek out an attorney that can help me with their response, provided they offer one other than "we can't give advice". Otherwise if there is no alternative to providing a decree, moving to the states with my wife is dead in the water. 

[slc12312 11]

5 hours ago, Mollie09 said:

That's optimistic of you, but it's not how bureaucracies work. Without a divorce decree, your petition isn't moving forward. Imagine there are literal boxes to tick and a flowchart to follow:

Married before: Yes

Ended in: Divorce

Must provide: Divorce decree

 

If it was ended in: Death

Must provide: Death certificate

Yeah, I imagine that to be true. It's unfortunate that in my case, the court records are missing and it is impossible to get a decree. I'm just hoping there might be an alternative, as I'm just grasping for a life preserver on a sinking ship, lol. 

[givionte 138]

Sounds like you are here just to complain and find a loophole, and to not actually take serious action.  It's never impossible to get a decree or court record in the United States.  Hire a lawyer if you aren't getting anywhere with the state or city.