Officials consider new penalty for visa overstays

[Ironclad43 131]

You should never be able to AOS off of a tourist visa. 

 

3 hours ago, Hypnos said:

Visa overstays are a natural next target, since this administration is ramping up into full anti-immigrant mode thanks to Trump and his enablers. 

 

Of course they should be. If you overstay you ought to be denied immigration benefits for a time or permanently. If you cannot follow immigration laws, then odds are you won't follow other laws either.

 

ALL illegal aliens are criminals and ALL of them ought to be deported, no matter what. 

 

The next crackdown should be on bogus asylum claims. Gang violence, your husband beating you, or just "wanting a better life" are NOT grounds for either asylum or immigration but I digress.

 

I absolutely support president Trump's agenda and will vote for whoever will continue it in 2024 after I'm Naturalized.

[WeGuyGal 1,052]

3 minutes ago, Ironclad43 said:

You should never be able to AOS off of a tourist visa. AGREED

 

 

Of course they should be. If you overstay you ought to be denied immigration benefits for a time or permanently. If you cannot follow immigration laws, then odds are you won't follow other laws either. AGREED

 

ALL illegal aliens are criminals and ALL of them ought to be deported, no matter what. AGREED, BUT NOT PRACTICAL

 

The next crackdown should be on bogus asylum claims. Gang violence, your husband beating you, or just "wanting a better life" are NOT grounds for either asylum or immigration but I digress. AGREED

 

I absolutely support president Trump's agenda and will vote for whoever will continue it in 2024 after I'm Naturalized. NO POLITICS HERE. VOTE FOR WHOEVER YOU WANT AFTER NATURALIZATION

 

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3 hours ago, WeGuyGal said:

Also Indian tourists, who often tend to abuse b2s. 

 

Israelis too - lots of them in shopping malls selling Dead Sea lotions. 

[Hypnos 6,577]

4 hours ago, Ironclad43 said:

If you cannot follow immigration laws, then odds are you won't follow other laws either

This is a popular misconception. Immigrants, illegal or otherwise, seem to commit crimes at a far lower rate than natural-born Americans: https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/is-illegal-immigration-linked-to-more-or-less-crime/

 

4 hours ago, Ironclad43 said:

ALL illegal aliens are criminals

They are not. Simply overstay of a nonimmigrant visa is considered a civil violation, not a criminal one. When you get into other things, such as human trafficking or drug muling then of course that's a separate criminal offence, but that is not applicable to the vast majority of undocumented immigrants.

 

4 hours ago, Ironclad43 said:

ALL of them ought to be deported

The cost of removing every alien who is unlawfully present in the US today would be extremely expensive. One might say it is prohibitively expensive, in that it's so expensive that no sane person would ever want to do it. It's somewhat difficult to nail down a cost, but estimates seem to range from around $65bn at the low end to over $120bn at the top end. I can't say that would be a good use of our taxpayer dollars, particularly if the root causes of such unlawful migration are not addressed. That would be the equivalent of having a leaking boat full of water, emptying out all the water, but leaving the hole in the bottom intact. The issue will simply reoccur again down the line.

 

The danger in your way of thinking is that you are only looking at it through one lens: enforcement. What is required in this country is a complete top-down reformation of the entire immigration system that deals with overstays, USCIS inefficiency, DoS-USCIS interdependency issues, enforcement, causes of unlawful migration, asylum, immediate relatives, and probably a dozen more things to boot. When you simply modify one portion of it, such as enforcement, you are not dealing with the problem, you're just band-aiding it. Think of it as you're trying to bake a cake, but only using one ingredient. You're not going to get a particularly edible cake by doing that.

 

And so whilst the system perpetuates, largely invisible to the ordinary American, not a great deal on the causes of all of this will change. Central and South America will still continue to bear the brunt of the blame for a situation that has a lot of moving parts. I have no faith in the current administration or president's ability to deal with such heady topics. After all, Twitter is his primary activity these days, and he's not exactly a big policy thinker. Hopefully the American people, of which I now number amongst, will elect someone who has a slightly better grasp on policy, rather than sticking with someone who thinks building a wall will solve all of the problems, which is both a naive and fundamentally unintelligent way to approach things since it doesn't deal with overstayed visas at all, and they're at least half of the problem.

 

But sure, let's spend ~$100bn and deport all the illegals.

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58 minutes ago, Hypnos said:

What is required in this country is a complete top-down reformation of the entire immigration system that deals with overstays, USCIS inefficiency, DoS-USCIS interdependency issues, enforcement, causes of unlawful migration, asylum, immediate relatives, and probably a dozen more things to boot. When you simply modify one portion of it, such as enforcement, you are not dealing with the problem, you're just band-aiding it. Think of it as you're trying to bake a cake, but only using one ingredient. You're not going to get a particularly edible cake by doing that.

1 hour ago, Hypnos said:

Hopefully the American people, of which I now number amongst, will elect someone who has a slightly better grasp on policy, rather than sticking with someone who thinks building a wall will solve all of the problems, which is both a naive and fundamentally unintelligent way to approach things since it doesn't deal with overstayed visas at all, and they're at least half of the problem.

Totally echoes how I feel about the current immigration situation here in the US.

 

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9 hours ago, Ben&Zian said:

 

Been hoping for this for awhile, would be nice, but doubtful unfortunately. And it would affect Filipino tourists I know, but hey, has to be applied equally.

The worst thing that has happened for Filipino tourists has been other Filipino tourists overstaying.

[ineedadisplayname 502]

6 hours ago, Ironclad43 said:

Of course they should be. If you overstay you ought to be denied immigration benefits for a time or permanently. If you cannot follow immigration laws, then odds are you won't follow other laws either.

  

ALL illegal aliens are criminals and ALL of them ought to be deported, no matter what. 

 

The next crackdown should be on bogus asylum claims. Gang violence, your husband beating you, or just "wanting a better life" are NOT grounds for either asylum or immigration but I digress.

Educate yourself before you say something like  what you said about illegal aliens being criminals and such.....

You are right! husband beating you or wanting a better life are not grounds for asylum, not even TODAY....

 

If you think it is that easy to get asylum why you didn't try it? Heard Bulgaria is a pretty rough place. (While you go into a grocery store they break in your car if you have a foreign plate on your car, police stops you for petty things and you can get out only if you bribe them...)

 

Anyway, did you EVER went over the speed limit? Even with 1 mile? Crossed the street where you was not supposed to? If yes, you should be deported because you can't follow the laws...... Basically that what you are saying.....

 

Btw Trump would kick out your ### too if he could.....

And if you would knew some basic government stuff.... in 2024 he won't be running for presidency......

 

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I must admit I have overstayed my visa for  2 weeks ( due to bad timing of 2018 tax returns etc) . 

Now have pending AOS . Why I am doing my AOS from B2 is longer story but definitely not my intention. I am aware that I have violated terms of my non immigrant status and ( by this current law) I am expecting  to face the scrutiny at the interview. So basically I have been an illegal alien for some time ( 14 days) . That makes me a criminal who should be deported right away ( as someone has written)and put me exactly in the same group as the people doing AOS after living illegally here ( overstaying visa as me )for 5, 10... even 20 years , working all the time without authorization and without a single cent payed for taxes .

I am not complaining - I am exactly one of those you are discussing about. 

And you are right. 

 

 

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46 minutes ago, ineedadisplayname said:

Educate yourself before you say something like  what you said about illegal aliens being criminals and such.....

You are right! husband beating you or wanting a better life are not grounds for asylum, not even TODAY....

 

If you think it is that easy to get asylum why you didn't try it? Heard Bulgaria is a pretty rough place. (While you go into a grocery store they break in your car if you have a foreign plate on your car, police stops you for petty things and you can get out only if you bribe them...)

 

Anyway, did you EVER went over the speed limit? Even with 1 mile? Crossed the street where you was not supposed to? If yes, you should be deported because you can't follow the laws...... Basically that what you are saying.....

 

Btw Trump would kick out your ### too if he could.....

And if you would knew some basic government stuff.... in 2024 he won't be running for presidency......

 

I think you are looking at the words too logically and not as US Courts have interrupted them.

 

Reminds me of the German Family who were able to make a successful claim, based on home schooling.

[ineedadisplayname 502]

1 hour ago, Boiler said:

I think you are looking at the words too logically and not as US Courts have interrupted them.

 

Reminds me of the German Family who were able to make a successful claim, based on home schooling.

Maybe, dunno.

 

On a different matter I agree that visa/esta overstay is basically hurting other legitimate travelers because they are more scrutinized/ some countries have no ESTA because of high overstay...

 

Yeah sometimes there is no other way but marry on b1/esta, but that should be very very rare....

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9 hours ago, Ironclad43 said:

You should never be able to AOS off of a tourist visa. 

 

 

Of course they should be. If you overstay you ought to be denied immigration benefits for a time or permanently. If you cannot follow immigration laws, then odds are you won't follow other laws either.

 

ALL illegal aliens are criminals and ALL of them ought to be deported, no matter what. 

 

The next crackdown should be on bogus asylum claims. Gang violence, your husband beating you, or just "wanting a better life" are NOT grounds for either asylum or immigration but I digress.

 

I absolutely support president Trump's agenda and will vote for whoever will continue it in 2024 after I'm Naturalized.

We shouldn’t be using this platform for political propaganda, first off. Secondly, if you come here on a K1 visa, you’re also choosing an ‘easier way’ to hop over the immigration system (which are also taken advantage of), why not wait in line to come to the US ready to work and contribute to the economy upon entry? A visitors visa (unless you have a waiver), is a very expensive privilege not granted blindly, if you overstay a visa, you’re out of status l not ‘illegal’ because overstaying is a civil offense not a criminal one. Also, just fyi, while you’re waiting for a K1 aos, after your 90days are over you’re also in that nebulous of being out of status, i94 is expired, the noa itself says ‘not an immigration benefit’ so, if we go by that, then technically you’re illegal too? So choose comments wisely because you’re an immigrant too, wait until you’re here without a work permit or a valid i94 until whenever, like most k1 have to 👌🏽

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25 minutes ago, Mellamanlola said:

Secondly, if you come here on a K1 visa, you’re also choosing an ‘easier way’ to hop over the immigration system (which are also taken advantage of), why not wait in line to come to the US ready to work and contribute to the economy upon entry?

Huh?  How is coming on a K-1 not waiting in line?  

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9 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

Huh?  How is coming on a K-1 not waiting in line?  

You have people that have NEVER been in the US before and that’s a fast track to come to the country and on top of that, is a sedentary one, you’re basically skipping consular processing which is the true line, if we’re 100% technical about it and even consular processing could be scrutinized all the way down to: how did that immigration genealogical tree started? That’s all I’m saying.

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Several noncontributory or blatantly political posts have been removed.

As others have stated, this is not the forum for such; visit the Current Events forum instead.

Here, let's stick to discussing what's posted in the linked article.

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8 hours ago, ineedadisplayname said:

Maybe, dunno.

 

On a different matter I agree that visa/esta overstay is basically hurting other legitimate travelers because they are more scrutinized/ some countries have no ESTA because of high overstay...

 

Yeah sometimes there is no other way but marry on b1/esta, but that should be very very rare....

I wonder, are overstays more prevalent from ESTA countries?  If so, maybe the US should revisit the countries on that list.  As to comprehensive immigration reform, Congress will need to get involved, and that most likely will not happen anytime soon.  Both sides love using this as political fodder.