Reuters:Denials of U.S. immigrant visas skyrocket after little-heralded rule change

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5 minutes ago, Ben & Katy said:

Exactly!  And what is the point of "deporting" sort of speak US citizens to other countries to be able to be with their loved ones?  I mean I wouldn't have left my spouse hanging in Juarez if they had not let her in.  And yes alot of immigrants have earning potential.  I have seen two personal cases within family where the immigrant is making all the money and the USC is the stagnant one or the one earning less. 

As was stated in the article he does not have much in the way of earning potential.

 

The US does have a social security system of sorts, hence the public charge issue, is there was no social security then there would be no need for support.

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15 hours ago, treppenwitz said:

The family can also move to a Mexican border town and still attend U.S. schools:

Very recent Vice "News" video:

 

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48 minutes ago, dirtyhippiegirl said:

According to the top two media bias fact check websites I found on Google, Reuters runs centrist/less biased than other news sources. Can't speak to individual reporters obviously. Do you also teach your students that sources that disagrees with your world view aren't automatically biased or "propagandist."

Yes actually I do. I teach them critical thinking skills and part of that is to look for bias and to dig deeper into the topic. I teach them to ask questions, reflect on what they've read and to formulate their own opinion.  What matters is that they can formulate a well thought out thesis and properly support it with sources and proper citations. I often have them take the opposite view of their personal view.

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2 minutes ago, theresaL said:

Yes actually I do. I teach them critical thinking skills and part of that is to look for bias and to dig deeper into the topic. I teach them to ask questions, reflect on what they've read and to formulate their own opinion.  What matters is that they can formulate a well thought out thesis and properly support it with sources and proper citations. 

You’re like pretty much all teachers in this regard. I’m graduated, but certainly was held to these standards while in school.

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Here's a link related to identifying bias.

 

https://researchguides.njit.edu/evaluate/bias

 

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16 hours ago, dirtyhippiegirl said:

Stuff like this always makes me reflect gratefully on where I am in life. My husband had just graduated university and I was still in university when he came over on a K1. I was working 30 hours a week at WalMart + attending class -- my father (a physician) co-sponsored us. We were college-poor as many are in their early 20s but survived with a bit of help from our parents. We have been married for 12 years and live a solid, upper middle class life. With the new guidelines, we certainly could have been written off as future public charges. I didn't graduate nursing school and start pulling in enough income to meet guidelines for like another 4 years. Husband found a great entry level job in aerospace engineering within a few months of getting his greencard.

 

Life isn't always so black or white, I guess.

 

I think of us too. I wasn't working, and my foreign half had a 10th grade education.  He's about to be a master tradesman later this year, and I'm about to finish my B.S. degree and do some more training/working as a medic in preparation for applying for further training in the medical field. 

 

Our kids are still on medicaid. In fact, I think with a family of the size in the article, in my state, they could earn $104,000 a year and still get medicaid for the children. Let's be honest, affordable healthcare should be a right for all citizens at this point. So, discussing medicaid should really be off the table at these type of interviews for visas.

 

I don't think of people like us as being burdens - we pay property tax, sales tax, and state income tax and we don't take anything but healthcare. We also both participate in rural emergency services, him as a volunteer, me as basically not paid anything more than for my inconvenience. 

 

I like that our country allows people who aren't currently earning a lot of money to sponsor relatives with help, whether it be because they are not yet there in life or disabled. I also think it can be problematic, especially for K1 visas and making sure there is money for AOS.  I know in my husband's country they used to, and may still, require a loan/bond on behalf of the immigrant to pay back any services they use. That might be an option going forward.

 

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20 minutes ago, N-o-l-a said:

 

I think of us too. I wasn't working, and my foreign half had a 10th grade education.  He's about to be a master tradesman later this year, and I'm about to finish my B.S. degree and do some more training/working as a medic in preparation for applying for further training in the medical field. 

 

Our kids are still on medicaid. In fact, I think with a family of the size in the article, in my state, they could earn $104,000 a year and still get medicaid for the children. Let's be honest, affordable healthcare should be a right for all citizens at this point. So, discussing medicaid should really be off the table at these type of interviews for visas.

 

I don't think of people like us as being burdens - we pay property tax, sales tax, and state income tax and we don't take anything but healthcare. We also both participate in rural emergency services, him as a volunteer, me as basically not paid anything more than for my inconvenience. 

 

I like that our country allows people who aren't currently earning a lot of money to sponsor relatives with help, whether it be because they are not yet there in life or disabled. I also think it can be problematic, especially for K1 visas and making sure there is money for AOS.  I know in my husband's country they used to, and may still, require a loan/bond on behalf of the immigrant to pay back any services they use. That might be an option going forward.

 

Well said. A part of the proposed DHS rule is the petitioner might be allowed to post a bond if the public charge risk is a question mark. 

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1 hour ago, theresaL said:

Yes actually I do. I teach them critical thinking skills and part of that is to look for bias and to dig deeper into the topic. I teach them to ask questions, reflect on what they've read and to formulate their own opinion.  What matters is that they can formulate a well thought out thesis and properly support it with sources and proper citations. I often have them take the opposite view of their personal view.

Please teach them the difference between FACT and their opinion! So many people now tend to mix the two, and call anything that they don't agree with "biased" or "fake." And the fact that it is coming from the top doesn't help.

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20 hours ago, cyclone27 said:

Actually the financial requirements are too low in my honest opinion. 

 

I would eliminate co sponsors and you need to realistically be able to support who you sponsor.

There's no such thing as "co-sponsor" or "joint sponsor" in my home country Sweden. If you can't support the intended immigrant on your own, then the immigrant simply won't be immigrating.

 

The US has some of the most generous immigration laws, I fully support making them stricter.

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2 hours ago, junkmart said:

Please teach them the difference between FACT and their opinion! So many people now tend to mix the two, and call anything that they don't agree with "biased" or "fake." And the fact that it is coming from the top doesn't help.

Oh we do. Unfortunately, most college age students don't have enough information/experience to be able to determine whether it is fact or opinion. They only have what they have seen on their phones from the all knowing oracle-google. 

 

Or call anything they don't agree with racist, sexist, and all the other -ist and -ic labels. 

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24 minutes ago, theresaL said:

Oh we do. Unfortunately, most college age students don't have enough information/experience to be able to determine whether it is fact or opinion. They only have what they have seen on their phones from the all knowing oracle-google. 

 

Or call anything they don't agree with racist, sexist, and all the other -ist and -ic labels. 

That is frightening.

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12 hours ago, Ben & Katy said:

all those nephews she was claiming came back to bite her on the affidavit

This is one of the cleverest turns of phrase that I've recently (or perhaps ever) seen.