Very VERY bad K1 situation

[Mezyan 149]

Is there a thread with warning signs?

[SJordanS 343]

OK GUYS. Here is the update. Mind you Ive had only 1 hour sleep throughout the night. She has had NONE for days. But I am invested in making sure Sarah and all the future Sarahs gets their rights as this could be happening now to a VJ member or a future member. Also, information on how the Embassy will handle the cancellation should be posted here as this was an unusual event. There will be more information on the cancellation in the week to come. For now there is a hold or a freeze on the Visa issuance. She said its not updated on the web just should AP. Normal but that will change. The petitioner cancelled the VISA, not the petition, claiming FRAUD only AFTER the CO at the Embassy approved the petition based on a BONAFIDE relationship and thorough interview. Thats where it gets tricky. So she received a response from the Embassy but prior to that she contacted an office in Amman located across the street from the Embassy and got in touch with the attorney there for help to contact the embassy and what can be done. They are an Immigration and Translation office that originally helped her and her fiance with the necessary documents after NVC received the case. Basically they are set up to help people with visitor visas, K1 and I130, etc petitions, translate documents, etc. So she got a hold of the attorney there, told him the entire story. He has seen a few cases like this before however this was different as she is cancelling after the approval due to fraud. Some cancel after the visa approval due to a breakup but this is fraud. So he explained to me and her it would trigger an investigation since the Consulate Officers job is to approve petitions based on documents (no issues there), proof of bonafide relationship (submitted everything there and it was enough I guess) and be able to conduct the interview, etc. However the CO could not have known he had these plans. He isnt the first or the last. He was able to collect more information by contacting the Embassy himself and once he did they contacted her. She emailed a hand written and signed statement, copy of her passport and few other things they needed. They will contact her soon and Visa is on hold under they contact her for futher information. That attorney said most definitely it will be cancelled and she need not worry and he will ultimately receive a ban but is unsure what ruling they will make on that. He's 10 years at the most so far. She is relieved in some way though. 

This evening she will be speaking to her now ex-fiance. Of course Ill be here for that. 

 

Lets talk Red Flags...I had her think carefully on any red flags she may have ignored or picked up. Here are some from the tiny to the obvious.

 

1.  Seeing him "online" on whats app after midnight Jordan time for extended periods of times. She would be texting him and waiting for him to reply and would get no response. If it were his buddy like he said, as most guys can agree, they usually dont text their buddies for over 30 minutes after midnight on a work night several nights a week. Then eventually reply and say you werent on or didnt see the replies or my net is weak.

 

2. Wanting to get engaged or married in a very short time. Less than 6 weeks of chatting and video for him to know he wants to spend the rest of his life with you im sorry but that is a red flag.

 

3. While in his presence he gets texts and wants to respond away from you even if its in a language you cant read. taking calls away from you. not posting pics of you and him on his social network pages or making a new facebook for the both of you is a red flag as it deters you from wondering why he wont add you to his own facebook.

 

4. While in his presence where he should be so excited happy every second of the time he is with you he mentally drifts off and gets into fixed stares and looks sad several times throughout the day. When asked, oh nothing just thinking about my job but then wants a bit of space from you physically. Yeah ok...sure...your job.

 

5. His middle eastern parents are WAY TOO HAPPY for the both of you and dont even ask about your family or your upbringing or care to be too invested in your past or your life. Just pump up their son to be the best. 

 

Im sure there are more but these are the ones she can recall. 

 

Im  off to work myself and when I get back she will make the call to the loser who will be asleep by then but Im sure will jump up to answer her call as he's been very concerned about her and has been waiting to hear from her. I....cant....effen....wait. 

[SJordanS 343]

34 minutes ago, Boiler said:

One case will not make much difference if any. This is not the first time we have seen this on VJ and I am sure the Consulate sees a lot more than we do.

im sure they have seen this a number of times.

[Crazy Cat 42,033]

Thanks for the update..........I hope this guy never gets another chance to hurt another person...

[payxibka 10,047]

They don't call them high fraud consulates for no reason 

[Jeanne Adil 1,651]

21 hours ago, Mary Lou said:

I know she believes his family doesn't know, i wouldn't trust them either. Usually the family goes along with the "plan" so to speak. If i were her, i wouldn't contact them at all, they may tip him off before she can confront him.

agree at least some family members

some want so much for a better life 

 

but i am truly sorry that your friend is heartbroken in this manner

 

Actually in Islam he was not taking a 2nd wife / he intended to  divorce and remarry the new one

marrying more than one according to the Quran is to pick the 2nd that is not under the protection of a man thus providing for her

and he is to treat both the same and be able to financially support both

this clearly was not his intent so he is not only a louse but not a good muslim

[Hobidyali 267]

Honestly, I am glad she called her, cause had she hadn't , this would have never been known. The dude needs to stay in Lebanon and not get out ever again, what a piece of work! 

Edited April 11, 2019 by Hobidyali

[Mezyan 149]

5 minutes ago, Hobidyali said:

Honestly, I am glad she called her, cause had she hadn't , this would have never been known. The dude needs to stay in Lebanon and not get out ever again, what a piece of work! 

Or Jordan, just not here.

[Celie 793]

 

19 minutes ago, SJordanS said:

1.  Seeing him "online" on whats app after midnight Jordan time for extended periods of times. She would be texting him and waiting for him to reply and would get no response. If it were his buddy like he said, as most guys can agree, they usually dont text their buddies for over 30 minutes after midnight on a work night several nights a week. Then eventually reply and say you werent on or didnt see the replies or my net is weak.

 

2. Wanting to get engaged or married in a very short time. Less than 6 weeks of chatting and video for him to know he wants to spend the rest of his life with you im sorry but that is a red flag.

 

3. While in his presence he gets texts and wants to respond away from you even if its in a language you cant read. taking calls away from you. not posting pics of you and him on his social network pages or making a new facebook for the both of you is a red flag as it deters you from wondering why he wont add you to his own facebook.

 

4. While in his presence where he should be so excited happy every second of the time he is with you he mentally drifts off and gets into fixed stares and looks sad several times throughout the day. When asked, oh nothing just thinking about my job but then wants a bit of space from you physically. Yeah ok...sure...your job.

 

5. His middle eastern parents are WAY TOO HAPPY for the both of you and dont even ask about your family or your upbringing or care to be too invested in your past or your life. Just pump up their son to be the best. 

 

Im sure there are more but these are the ones she can recall. 

 

Im  off to work myself and when I get back she will make the call to the loser who will be asleep by then but Im sure will jump up to answer her call as he's been very concerned about her and has been waiting to hear from her. I....cant....effen....wait. 

Excellent points!! I wish there was a pinned thread somewhere with warning signs. I've been following this thread for a bit and I hope Sarah knows that, although her situation is painful and heartbreaking, she's also an inspiration. Too many people find out they've been used too late because they weren't able to read or see the warning signs.

[Celie 793]

8 minutes ago, Hobidyali said:

Honestly, I am glad she called her, cause had she hadn't , this would have never been known. The dude needs to stay in Lebanon and not get out ever again, what a piece of work! 

Where did it say he's from Lebanon? Not to say it doesn't happen there also lol most MENA countries have their bad bunch... but I didn't read where it said he was from there.

Edited April 11, 2019 by celie&joseph

[Hobidyali 267]

3 minutes ago, Mezyan said:

Or Jordan, just not here.

CORRECTION: I meant Jordan 

1 minute ago, celie&joseph said:

Where did it say he's from Lebanon? Not to say it doesn't happen there also lol most MENA countries have their bad bunch... but I didn't read where it said he was from there.

Sorry, I wrote that wrong, I meant Jordan.

[Hobidyali 267]

I wish I could do a warning signs list, hmmm, maybe I will , just from the whammies I've read on here and outside of rhis website for 2 years .😂should i? @Mezyan what do you think lol

Edited April 11, 2019 by Hobidyali

[Boiler 45,902]

It has been done many many times, all pretty obvious.

[Shiran 1,134]

2 hours ago, Hobidyali said:

No amount of posts would steer a woman in love to abandon a relationship which they feel is genuine, we as women have the innate need for love and care and this is what is fed upon by these con artists. I remember when I first fell in love and everyone said "don't", I did anyway, such is life but maybe if people see more of this, maybe their eyes will be open more to accept things.

We are tehe sum of our mistakes and triumphs. But those are our mistakes to make, and often making them is better than playing it safe and the spending the rest lamenting "what Ifs" 

[Hobidyali 267]

2 minutes ago, Shiran said:

We are tehe sum of our mistakes and triumphs. But those are our mistakes to make, and often making them is better than playing it safe and the spending the rest lamenting "what Ifs" 

This is living, the problem is that most bypass the completely obvious signs .