K1 fiance in Ukraine - did not serve in military?

[annamariya2000 0]

I have read that a military record is required for the interview if a male has served. My fiance is from Ukraine and is 22 years old yet left to Poland to live and work. Will the U.S deny him a visa since he did not serve for 2 years in Ukraine as it is the law there? 

[payxibka 10,047]

1 minute ago, annamariya2000 said:

I have read that a military record is required for the interview if a male has served. My fiance is from Ukraine and is 22 years old yet left to Poland to live and work. Will the U.S deny him a visa since he did not serve for 2 years in Ukraine as it is the law there? 

Nope

[Ben&Zian 4,398]

1 minute ago, annamariya2000 said:

I have read that a military record is required for the interview if a male has served. My fiance is from Ukraine and is 22 years old yet left to Poland to live and work. Will the U.S deny him a visa since he did not serve for 2 years in Ukraine as it is the law there? 

 

I have heard of this mostly in the MENA countries and usually the embassy does request the records to indicate that they have fulfilled their obligations to their home country... but I don't think it will affect getting the K-1 at all.

[HP+IC 292]

Well, not exactly. Every able bodied male over 16 or 17 has a so called 'military record' book which he must keep till being written off military register completely, well over 40 I think. My ex is 50 and he still is required to have it at hand and show it when necessary. This is a must for the interview, they even asked me too, I said I'm not under military duty  (females of certain professions, like nurses are). Him actually not serving doesn't matter, but not having the book could mean he's evading service.

Edited April 1, 2019 by HP+IC

[millefleur 5,047]

**Moved from K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures to the RUB regional subforum; question is country specific**

[payxibka 10,047]

1 hour ago, HP+IC said:

Well, not exactly. Every able bodied male over 16 or 17 has a so called 'military record' book which he must keep till being written off military register completely, well over 40 I think. My ex is 50 and he still is required to have it at hand and show it when necessary. This is a must for the interview, they even asked me too, I said I'm not under military duty  (females of certain professions, like nurses are). Him actually not serving doesn't matter, but not having the book could mean he's evading service.

I suspect it would be an issue if trying to depart Ukraine but should not be an issue since he is in Poland 

[HP+IC 292]

11 minutes ago, payxibka said:

I suspect it would be an issue if trying to depart Ukraine but should not be an issue since he is in Poland 

Warsaw requests military records too. I assume he must comply regardless of the fact that he's not a Polish national. But if someone is not actually called for military service by their home country that isn't their fault. Approximate number of Ukrainians in Poland is estimated at about 2 million, I bet they at the Embassy should know.

[payxibka 10,047]

1 hour ago, HP+IC said:

Warsaw requests military records too. I assume he must comply regardless of the fact that he's not a Polish national. But if someone is not actually called for military service by their home country that isn't their fault. Approximate number of Ukrainians in Poland is estimated at about 2 million, I bet they at the Embassy should 

But serving or not serving will not affect Visa issuance. If military service is conscripted then the departure control may have an issue allowing the individual to leave 

[millefleur 5,047]

Not sure if the Embassy in Poland will request it but it's possible they might if he's a Ukrainian national. Check this page for Military Records for Ukraine:

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/Visa-Reciprocity-and-Civil-Documents-by-Country/Ukraine.html

 

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Military Records

Available

Fees: There are no fees

Document Name: Prypysne svidotstvo, Viyskovyy kvytok, Posvidchennya ofitsera (for  officers and generals currently in service)

Issuing Authority: Ministry of Defense (Military Enlistment Office)

Special Seal(s) / Color / Format: Military books issued during the Soviet times have red cover; Ukrainian-issued ones have gray or green cover.  The first page features a photograph, wet seal and a signature of the Military Commissioner

Issuing Authority Personnel Title: Military Commissioner

Registration Criteria: There is no registration criteria

 

Procedure for Obtaining: All males who turn 17 receive a registration certificate which shows which Military Enlistment Office this person is attached to.  Later the person receives either a military book or a temporary military book (because of the lack of military books).  Officers and generals in active service receive officer’s books.

 

Certified Copies: Certified copies are not available

Alternate Documents: There are no alternate documents

Exceptions: Although military books never expire, some elderly males may have turned in their military books to their Military Enlistment Office.  Similarly, a person may turn in his military book when he works for certain state organizations (i.e. Secret Service).  In such cases, a certificate may be issued by the Office or the Ministry of Defense to that effect

 

Comments: Ukraine is a country with universal conscription.  All males aged 18 years old or older, and some females (those who contracted for a military service and those having special occupations: medical; communications; computing; optical and audio measurement tools and metrology; cartography and topogeodesy etc) have military records of some sort.

 

My husband had to send his Russian military records to the Embassy in Moscow and it was required by the US Embassy when we filed. Not really sure why, maybe for security purposes or to see what military record you have had if any. Again, no idea if the procedure is different for Ukrainians or applicants in Poland...but it's good to be prepared just in case in comes up.

Edited April 2, 2019 by millefleur

[GP1977 288]

18 hours ago, HP+IC said:

Well, not exactly. Every able bodied male over 16 or 17 has a so called 'military record' book which he must keep till being written off military register completely, well over 40 I think. My ex is 50 and he still is required to have it at hand and show it when necessary. This is a must for the interview, they even asked me too, I said I'm not under military duty  (females of certain professions, like nurses are). Him actually not serving doesn't matter, but not having the book could mean he's evading service.

I find it very hard to believe you were asked for this at the interview?  You are the first person I have ever heard of where has been asked in Ukraine and if its a must why is it not on the list of required documents for one to bring with them to the embassy interview?

 

 

 

Edited April 2, 2019 by GP1977

[GP1977 288]

16 minutes ago, GP1977 said:

I find it very hard to believe you were asked for this at the interview?  You are the first person I have ever heard of where has been asked in Ukraine and if its a must why is it not on the list of required documents for one to bring with them to the embassy interview?

 

 

 

I stand corrected. I went back and looked at the embassy list of required documents and it is on the required list of documents.

 

However, my wife was never asked for this and haven't heard of it being asked for before.

 

[HP+IC 292]

41 minutes ago, GP1977 said:

I stand corrected. I went back and looked at the embassy list of required documents and it is on the required list of documents.

 

However, my wife was never asked for this and haven't heard of it being asked for before.

 

To me, as soon as it is on the list and females are not exempt, it is quite normal to ask someone not submitting this document as to why they don't submit it. They only are able to see my education and training and 5 last years of career on DS-160, so to be sure why not ask. So now you know they sometimes ask E.g., they also asked if a had a criminal background or lived elsewhere for over 6 months. Probably, just to check 'no'

[millefleur 5,047]

3 hours ago, GP1977 said:

I stand corrected. I went back and looked at the embassy list of required documents and it is on the required list of documents. 

 

However, my wife was never asked for this and haven't heard of it being asked for before.

Such documents would usually only be required by males as women aren't required to sign up for conscription. This might be why we don't normally see threads about it too often here in the RUB forum: there are many more female beneficiaries from Russia, Ukraine and Belarus than males.

[GP1977 288]

45 minutes ago, millefleur said:

Such documents would usually only be required by males as women aren't required to sign up for conscription. This might be why we don't normally see threads about it too often here in the RUB forum: there are many more female beneficiaries from Russia, Ukraine and Belarus than males.

Makes sense.