Proof of Western Union For K1

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44 minutes ago, janet3 said:

I absolutely agree with @dwheels76 Jordan is a MENA country.....it is not usual for a woman to be supporting (or sending money to a man if the couple is not married). 

It will open him up to so many questions during the interview.....such as....is he employed? How many women are sending him money? Who are his friends on Social Media? Do they send him money too? Plus it opens up questions to your compatibility.....she has money to send....does he reciprocate....etc....

In addition....if there’s an age difference it will look even worse....

It's not unusual to send money to fiances. Someone from the US sending moderate amounts of money to their fiance would be familiar to a CO. Extremely large amounts regularly, perhaps not, but OP did not ask about the amount.

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12 hours ago, carmel34 said:

Sending money to a fiance abroad could be seen as a red flag, a sign of potential fraud, so I would be very careful about sending that as evidence.  The problem is, even if your situation is legit, that some scammers and fraudsters use US citizens for money as part of their scheme, so the bad behavior of others causes scrutiny for those in real relationships.  Think about it from the IO's point of view.  They are looking for signs of the beneficiaries who are only in the relationship for the green card, taking advantage of US citizens.  You're not married, sending money is not necessary and could be viewed negatively.  All you need is proof of meeting in the last two years, time spent together, for the K-1.

The person interviewing would be familiar with sending money to the (beneficiary) fiance. In fact, I think many if not most k1 couples do this. If it was more than would cover a plane ticket, the k1 expenses it might be a problem, perhaps.

 

Is it necessary? No.. but neither is most of the ither specific evidence. Imho sending receipts over time along with the other evidence of relationship shows an ongoing relationship over time. If it were the sole proof it would obviously look odd.

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On 3/27/2019 at 11:05 PM, SJordanS said:

 It recommended to provide receipts, at the time of the interview, showing that you have sent money to your fiancé?  Will it strengthen the evidence of support or is it too much information and not necessary for interview? 

Completely unnecessary. As in no CO would ever ask for that. It would not make any case look better. Try not to overthink too much.

Edited March 29, 2019 by clw654321

[Ash.1101 1,756]

42 minutes ago, Daisy.Chain said:

It's not unusual to send money to fiances. Someone from the US sending moderate amounts of money to their fiance would be familiar to a CO. Extremely large amounts regularly, perhaps not, but OP did not ask about the amount.

It may not be unusual, but most of us know not to declare it. There have been people on VJ who have been scrutinized over showing this proof, causing unnecessarily long AP.

 

you said you did it on your k-1, but you’re showing naturalization in your status. It may have been good proof back then but it is NOT recommended now.

 

things change quick, and the OP is a woman sending a man in a MENA country money. Any money is relevant here because in his culture, he shouldn’t be receiving any money from her. The opposite is more acceptable.

 

Again, if you start having spousal visa type proof (comingling of finances) for a k-1 interview, it raises red flags now because USCIS doesnt believe that your ties as a fiancé should be so strong that you’re basically married. That’s how people who met once for two weeks get a K-1. It’s MORE suspicious to have a book full of western union receipts to your fiancé and more proof onto that than to have just met once and have one passport stamp lol...

 

In the OPs case adding in the country, culture, and the gender of the fiancé, you’re basically holding and waiving the red flag yourself when you offer up this info.

 

 

I would say about 98% of VJ would vote AGAINST showing any form of money transfers for a k-1 visa in general.

Edited March 29, 2019 by Ash.1101

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33 minutes ago, Daisy.Chain said:

It's not unusual to send money to fiances. Someone from the US sending moderate amounts of money to their fiance would be familiar to a CO. Extremely large amounts regularly, perhaps not, but OP did not ask about the amount.

I understand what you are saying. Paying a cellphone bill is no biggie or sending a little extra money to buy a trinket is all good......but this is a MENA country.....it’s a patriarchal county where a woman supporting a man (sending more than $300 a month for a lot of the counties is paying the cost of living for a month) is going to be frowned on.....in a huge way. 

In my opinion no one should send it as “proof of relationship” (obviously....if asked about it be honest). But it’s a can of worms I wouldn’t open unless forced to.

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Not sure there is any research on it but I would have assumed financial transactions between fiancees is highly unusual , there may be very specific circumstances where it could arise, some of which would not raise eyebrows, but I can think of many reasons where it would.

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7 hours ago, Boiler said:

Not sure there is any research on it but I would have assumed financial transactions between fiancees is highly unusual , there may be very specific circumstances where it could arise, some of which would not raise eyebrows, but I can think of many reasons where it would.

 

I’d say non-monetary gifts would normal, but past that ya, I think you’re getting into questionable territory when more money is involved, ESPECIALLY when the conversation rate may make 20 USD be worth A LOT more in the fiancés country.

 

And I agree about certain situations, For myself personally, my husband (fiancé at the time) paid half my rent with my father and sent any extra money if needed for the last two years of our three years of dating. But he was also aware that I had to stay home with my disabled daughter, that I couldn’t work until he arrived, and he visited every 2-3 months.

 

At no point ever did we think we should have used that as proof for the K-1 visa LOL

Edited March 29, 2019 by Ash.1101

[SJordanS 343]

Hi All,

 

Sorry for replying to all late. Thank you all for the feedback. Just to clarify:

 

1. I only sent him money twice. Once last year and once this year. I do not support him nor pay any of his bills. He supports himself.  I only supplemented him twice when he had car issue and another emergency.

 

2. I thought by showing those two wires that showed strength in my support BUT I read the great information from some of you and AGREE.

 

Thank you all!

 

 

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On 3/28/2019 at 7:57 AM, carmel34 said:

Sending money to a fiance abroad could be seen as a red flag, a sign of potential fraud, so I would be very careful about sending that as evidence.  The problem is, even if your situation is legit, that some scammers and fraudsters use US citizens for money as part of their scheme, so the bad behavior of others causes scrutiny for those in real relationships.  Think about it from the IO's point of view.  They are looking for signs of the beneficiaries who are only in the relationship for the green card, taking advantage of US citizens.  You're not married, sending money is not necessary and could be viewed negatively.  All you need is proof of meeting in the last two years, time spent together, for the K-1.

BEST response. Thank you. Makes perfect sense. Although I only sent him twice, I wont make any mention of it as I dont see its necessary. Thanks again. This trophy is for you ----> 🏆

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On 3/28/2019 at 5:58 PM, Ash.1101 said:

Please note that sending money to a fiancé is NOT The same as sending money to a spouse. USCIS considers a fiancé to be someone that you shouldn’t be -that- involved with, you simply have this other person promising that they’ll want to come into the US to marry you and not take off. Money involved in that simply agreement complicates things.

 

if your case has any other red flags, the money orders can be used against you and it can be turned that you are buying off a person to come live with you.

 

this is NOT good evidence pre-marriage.

 

The whole financial support for k-1 aspect is simply you make enough to take care of the intending immigrant once they’re in the states, but there’s never a request to prove you’ve given money to them .

Thank you sooo much. Yes another member said the same thing you did. The LAST thing I want is another red flag. Its enough Im older and they will raise an eyebrow but I dont need more. Thanks.

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On 3/28/2019 at 8:45 AM, Boiler said:

I think she is supporting him?

No not supporting him as he has a F/T job. Sent money twice in 2 years. I just want anything and everything possible to help our case. Since this WONT help, I will pretend it never happened.

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On 3/28/2019 at 12:23 PM, dwheels76 said:

A woman sending money to a man never looks good. No matter what your intentions are. Leave it out. If you were married and had lived together and you were sending money to help support children your home maybe.

 

But you are also dealing with one of the MENA (Middle Eastern North Africa)embassies

 

Think like a CO and ask

1.how did he support himself before you came along

2. Do women from his country support men financially

 

Just leave it out this is a Big Red Flag. 

100% I see exactly what it looks like now. Thank you for being the best of VJ!!