31% of American adults believe the Bible is Literal Word of God - Belief strongest among those without college degrees

[GaryC 7]

God can make anything possible.

Then why Noah? Why an ark?

That is for you to decide for yourself. I could give you my belief and understanding but it only applies to me and isn't open for debate. Each person must make up their own mind what they believe. I don't take the task of preaching to others upon myself.

[SteveLaura 0]

God can make anything possible.

Then why Noah? Why an ark?

That is for you to decide for yourself. I could give you my belief and understanding but it only applies to me and isn't open for debate. Each person must make up their own mind what they believe. I don't take the task of preaching to others upon myself.

I would be interested to read your understanding, if you are willing to share it.

[chri'stina 190]

God can make anything possible.

Then why Noah? Why an ark?

I don't understand how those questions relate to what Gary posted. There are a lot of "why" questions in life.

Why oatmeal for breakfast?

How could we answer why Noah and why an ark, since we didn't decide those things ourselves. The only answers I could give are the reasons given in the bible, that Noah was considered righteous by God so he was asked to do this. And an ark to be able to hold everything he was supposed to bring with him.

If you don't believe in that story, then you won't agree with my answers, so then what's the point of asking it?

[Saddle Bronc 124]

God can make anything possible.

Then why Noah? Why an ark?

I don't understand how those questions relate to what Gary posted. There are a lot of "why" questions in life.

Why oatmeal for breakfast?

How could we answer why Noah and why an ark, since we didn't decide those things ourselves. The only answers I could give are the reasons given in the bible, that Noah was considered righteous by God so he was asked to do this. And an ark to be able to hold everything he was supposed to bring with him.

If you don't believe in that story, then you won't agree with my answers, so then what's the point of asking it?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

God can make anything possible.

Then why Noah? Why an ark?

That is for you to decide for yourself. I could give you my belief and understanding but it only applies to me and isn't open for debate. Each person must make up their own mind what they believe. I don't take the task of preaching to others upon myself.

Noah's Ark isn't a particularly important story as far as Christian Mythology goes IMO. And that's really what we're talking about here; myth. Many of those stories in the Old Testament, while historically verifiable in some (geographical) respects cannot ever be proven and in that respect will always be Myth. So even attempting to find proof for them is simply irrelevant and a waste of time. Whatever facts, people (or peoples) the story was originally based upon - you've got to remember that what's on the page is the result of thousands of years of superstition.

Even outside of religion its not hard to find similar parallels - Robin Hood, and King Arthur. Both embraced by some as historical fact, but neither are. They are myths derived from old historical sources, written down and embellished by superstitious people.

[SteveLaura 0]

God can make anything possible.

Then why Noah? Why an ark?

I don't understand how those questions relate to what Gary posted. There are a lot of "why" questions in life.

Why oatmeal for breakfast?

How could we answer why Noah and why an ark, since we didn't decide those things ourselves. The only answers I could give are the reasons given in the bible, that Noah was considered righteous by God so he was asked to do this. And an ark to be able to hold everything he was supposed to bring with him.

If you don't believe in that story, then you won't agree with my answers, so then what's the point of asking it?

I suppose I am attempting to look into the mind of God, if you will. If, with Him, everything is possible, then why did He chose this man and this answer to ridding the Earth of sinful people (if I remember correctly)? Were Noah and his family the only 'pure' people left? No babies? Could He have created a flood that would still have saved them and the animals without the need for an ark?

I ask because I'm curious how other people have worked these things out. These things gnaw at me, but it seems that there are other people who have found a way over the obstacles. I'm honestly curious how you did that.

Gotta leave the office for a while, so apologies if I don't respond to your responses.

Edited May 29, 2007 by SteveLaura

[homesick_american 1]

It all comes down to faith. If you believe then you don't need a scientific explanation. For those that have faith and believes in the ultimate power of God then it's easy to believe that God can make anything possible. If someone needs to place a human explanation of a miracle then the faith just isn't there and nothing will convince that person. It's all up to each person to decide what they believe.

You do, though. If you believed you could fly and attempted to jump off a building, you would fall to your death. There is no such thing as a 'miracle'.

[GaryC 7]

It all comes down to faith. If you believe then you don't need a scientific explanation. For those that have faith and believes in the ultimate power of God then it's easy to believe that God can make anything possible. If someone needs to place a human explanation of a miracle then the faith just isn't there and nothing will convince that person. It's all up to each person to decide what they believe.

You do, though. If you believed you could fly and attempted to jump off a building, you would fall to your death. There is no such thing as a 'miracle'.

Thats your opinion. Obviously we disagree. This is why I will not debate religion on a visa board. You have your opinion, I have mine and ultimately the root of this discussion comes down to whether you have faith or not. It isn't something that can be proven or quantified. Therefore it is useless to debate it.

[homesick_american 1]

It all comes down to faith. If you believe then you don't need a scientific explanation. For those that have faith and believes in the ultimate power of God then it's easy to believe that God can make anything possible. If someone needs to place a human explanation of a miracle then the faith just isn't there and nothing will convince that person. It's all up to each person to decide what they believe.

You do, though. If you believed you could fly and attempted to jump off a building, you would fall to your death. There is no such thing as a 'miracle'.

Thats your opinion. Obviously we disagree. This is why I will not debate religion on a visa board. You have your opinion, I have mine and ultimately the root of this discussion comes down to whether you have faith or not. It isn't something that can be proven or quantified. Therefore it is useless to debate it.

It can't be proven because it's not possible...period. People say that you have to have 'faith' because they know they can't provide any proof whatsoever for their assertions. It's the classic 'get-out' from the religious and it means nothing. Even my mother, who forcibly brought us up as Catholics, doesn't fall back on that #######.

Also...if you're not going to debate religion on a visa board, you may want to refrain altogether from participating in threads like this, since they indicate to me that you're willing to put your stamp on it but not willing to be questioned or challenged in any way. That tells me that you lack faith in your ability to defend religion in general.

Just calling it as I see it.

[GaryC 7]

It can't be proven because it's not possible...period. People say that you have to have 'faith' because they know they can't provide any proof whatsoever for their assertions. It's the classic 'get-out' from the religious and it means nothing. Even my mother, who forcibly brought us up as Catholics, doesn't fall back on that #######.

Also...if you're not going to debate religion on a visa board, you may want to refrain altogether from participating in threads like this, since they indicate to me that you're willing to put your stamp on it but not willing to be questioned or challenged in any way. That tells me that you lack faith in your ability to defend religion in general.

Just calling it as I see it.

I think your statement pretty much proves my point. Go your own way and I will go mine.

[homesick_american 1]

It can't be proven because it's not possible...period. People say that you have to have 'faith' because they know they can't provide any proof whatsoever for their assertions. It's the classic 'get-out' from the religious and it means nothing. Even my mother, who forcibly brought us up as Catholics, doesn't fall back on that #######.

Also...if you're not going to debate religion on a visa board, you may want to refrain altogether from participating in threads like this, since they indicate to me that you're willing to put your stamp on it but not willing to be questioned or challenged in any way. That tells me that you lack faith in your ability to defend religion in general.

Just calling it as I see it.

I think your statement pretty much proves my point. Go your own way and I will go mine.

And yours proves mine. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[GaryC 7]

It can't be proven because it's not possible...period. People say that you have to have 'faith' because they know they can't provide any proof whatsoever for their assertions. It's the classic 'get-out' from the religious and it means nothing. Even my mother, who forcibly brought us up as Catholics, doesn't fall back on that #######.

Also...if you're not going to debate religion on a visa board, you may want to refrain altogether from participating in threads like this, since they indicate to me that you're willing to put your stamp on it but not willing to be questioned or challenged in any way. That tells me that you lack faith in your ability to defend religion in general.

Just calling it as I see it.

I think your statement pretty much proves my point. Go your own way and I will go mine.

And yours proves mine. :lol: :lol: :lol:

To you it does. Thats fine with me.

[homesick_american 1]

To you it does. Thats fine with me.

Let me know when you're ready to stop debating.

Or...if you want to move on from the 'I'm rubber/you're glue' phase, I'm ready.

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

There is no such thing as a 'miracle'.

i disagree. nessa loves me, that's a miracle

[Nessa 23]

you're being too sweet today, what do you want?

There is no such thing as a 'miracle'.

i disagree. nessa loves me, that's a miracle