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27 minutes ago, Boiler said:

It is a security check, still needs to be done no matter what the underlying petition is. It does not have a lifespan, not transferable, relevant to that application.

What would warrant a CO t ask for additional proof of relationship? Does this mean that they do not believe or were convinced it was real? How do we make sure that this doesn't happen come interview time?

 

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5 minutes ago, Hobidyali said:

What would warrant a CO t ask for additional proof of relationship? Does this mean that they do not believe or were convinced it was real? How do we make sure that this doesn't happen come interview time?

 

Well this would be a middle case, some they consider clearly approvable others not valid and a few where they are not sure and ask for more info.

 

Present a compelling case.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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Anyone going through the Casablanca consulate should have front-loaded their petition with a strong relationship evidence. Since a huge amount of evidence is not technically required by USCIS, some don't include much more than proof that they met along with a few photos. This is also where lawyers who don't have experience with Casablanca can hurt a case, as they often think that additional evidence can be presented at the interview (not always the case). 

 

If you didn't front load your initial I-129F petition (and even if you did), it's always worth it to bring any and all additional evidence with you to the interview. It's not guaranteed that the CO will look at or consider it, but there is no loss in trying. 

 

Good examples of relationship evidence are photos with the friends and family of the couple (the beneficiary should be able to tell the CO who everyone in the photo is), receipts from your travels and time together, call logs, chat logs that have some degree of an actual conversation that show effective communication (more than just "Hi how are you today? I'm fine"). Proof of small gifts made or purchased for each other. For example, my husband (then fiance) brought with him to his interview a book he made out of notes that he had written to me. The CO really loved this. 

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5 minutes ago, RJandHamid said:

Anyone going through the Casablanca consulate should have front-loaded their petition with a strong relationship evidence. Since a huge amount of evidence is not technically required by USCIS, some don't include much more than proof that they met along with a few photos. This is also where lawyers who don't have experience with Casablanca can hurt a case, as they often think that additional evidence can be presented at the interview (not always the case). 

 

If you didn't front load your initial I-129F petition (and even if you did), it's always worth it to bring any and all additional evidence with you to the interview. It's not guaranteed that the CO will look at or consider it, but there is no loss in trying. 

 

Good examples of relationship evidence are photos with the friends and family of the couple (the beneficiary should be able to tell the CO who everyone in the photo is), receipts from your travels and time together, call logs, chat logs that have some degree of an actual conversation that show effective communication (more than just "Hi how are you today? I'm fine"). Proof of small gifts made or purchased for each other. For example, my husband (then fiance) brought with him to his interview a book he made out of notes that he had written to me. The CO really loved this. 

So for the most part they do not review what you take is that correct? They can but they are not required?

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Just now, Hobidyali said:

So for the most part they do not review what you take is that correct? They can but they are not required?

Yes they can review evidence brought to the interview, but are not required to do so. Too many times I've heard the stories of people bringing additional evidence to the interview (in Casablanca) and the CO flat out refused to look at it. Other times, they will look at it and consider it. I'm not sure if it depends on who is conducting the interview or the overall mood of the CO, but I would always caution that evidence brought to the interview may not be considered, though it should always be brought along anyway. 

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July 27, 2017: POE at ORD

August 5, 2017: Married!

 

 

 

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September 16, 2017 : NOA1 text/emails (receive date Sept. 12)

October 2, 2017 : Biometrics Appointment

October 13, 2017 : RFIE letter received in mail (they want an English translated Birth Certificate, which we included in the original petition...)

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3 minutes ago, Hobidyali said:

So for the most part they do not review what you take is that correct? They can but they are not required?

Of course, I have seen people printing out 100's of pages of chats for example. Hardly realistic to expect them to read all of those.

 

Quality not quantity should be your mantra.

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On 3/19/2019 at 11:17 AM, Boiler said:

Not sure how to word this, so lets say you are a Consular Officer and you have been around the world and have interviewed all sorts of shapes sizes ages etc and then are posted to Casablanca and it seems that most cases follow one particular format that is against the social norm. You would no doubt have gone through a course about local culture etc as part of you being posted there.

 

What are you supposed to think?

Actually a good way to say it 

but traveling so much since i first volunteered in 2008 to morocco,   the norms have changed 

they are changing a lot 

examples are hajib and clothing

the young girls are not covering with hajib as much but if they do it is because the sun destroys  their hair 

and they use the long prayer dress to cover up the pj's they wear night and day 

many and actually i will say, most still wash clothes by hand and hang out to dry and it is so much easier to wear lightweight pj's all the time and just put the prayer dress on to go out 

it looks like it is not a case of being muslim as much as convenience now

 

so, the embassy is getting use to USC women marrying in Morocco and is seen by the approvals of the CR1 and IR1 increasing

although if you can listen to and understand enough Arabic,  the issue is not older women marrying younger men/ an issue is that ir is still very strange for a moroccan man to marry a widow or divorced moroccan woman so that part of the culture has not changed and i think leads to a divorce rate of these young men who do come here from Morocco 

plus the fact that dating is not allowed in Morocco and when they come and find our freedoms allow dating ,  they try it

 

I know of several married and here and happy but also see the good jobs,  the big money (to them it is huge) and the newfound freedoms ,  lead to martial unrest

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8 minutes ago, adil-rafa said:

Actually a good way to say it 

but traveling so much since i first volunteered in 2008 to morocco,   the norms have changed 

they are changing a lot 

examples are hajib and clothing

the young girls are not covering with hajib as much but if they do it is because the sun destroys  their hair 

and they use the long prayer dress to cover up the pj's they wear night and day 

many and actually i will say, most still wash clothes by hand and hang out to dry and it is so much easier to wear lightweight pj's all the time and just put the prayer dress on to go out 

it looks like it is not a case of being muslim as much as convenience now

 

so, the embassy is getting use to USC women marrying in Morocco and is seen by the approvals of the CR1 and IR1 increasing

although if you can listen to and understand enough Arabic,  the issue is not older women marrying younger men/ an issue is that ir is still very strange for a moroccan man to marry a widow or divorced moroccan woman so that part of the culture has not changed and i think leads to a divorce rate of these young men who do come here from Morocco 

plus the fact that dating is not allowed in Morocco and when they come and find our freedoms allow dating ,  they try it

 

I know of several married and here and happy but also see the good jobs,  the big money (to them it is huge) and the newfound freedoms ,  lead to martial unrest

Yes, a Moroccan would not marry a lady from there who is a divorced and at first I found this odd but as I thought about it more and more, that same societal pressure and outlook could very well be the same reason why they would not marry them, it might just be that stigma surrounding that holding them back.

 

Frankly, as with anything else in life, it's a chance taken. As we all know nothing is guaranteed in this life except death, morbid but true, just because we marry an American doesn't mean that we will not be used and abused as well, the point I am trying to get to and the reason why I was so fired up yesterday is. "Women open your eyes , don't be guillable please". We all want love, we all want to feel wanted, we all want companionship but lets use logic and to the consulate, "please, if you'll deny healthy and likely partnerships, do not approve ones who are clear green card motivated ones". I see this every single day on here and it's starting to get on my nerve but as I read yesterday my views shifted a bit and I guess that we can't know the truth about a couples story because most share only what they are comfortable with and thats the best way since this is a public forum and no one wants their lives plastered on here. 

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9 hours ago, Hobidyali said:

Yes, a Moroccan would not marry a lady from there who is a divorced and at first I found this odd but as I thought about it more and more, that same societal pressure and outlook could very well be the same reason why they would not marry them, it might just be that stigma surrounding that holding them back.

 

Frankly, as with anything else in life, it's a chance taken. As we all know nothing is guaranteed in this life except death, morbid but true, just because we marry an American doesn't mean that we will not be used and abused as well, the point I am trying to get to and the reason why I was so fired up yesterday is. "Women open your eyes , don't be guillable please". We all want love, we all want to feel wanted, we all want companionship but lets use logic and to the consulate, "please, if you'll deny healthy and likely partnerships, do not approve ones who are clear green card motivated ones". I see this every single day on here and it's starting to get on my nerve but as I read yesterday my views shifted a bit and I guess that we can't know the truth about a couples story because most share only what they are comfortable with and thats the best way since this is a public forum and no one wants their lives plastered on here. 

Hobidyali,

 

I wish you the best of success!  It is clear that your relationship is genuine and I hope that comes through to the Casa embassy.   ❤️

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9 hours ago, Jorgedig said:

Hobidyali,

 

I wish you the best of success!  It is clear that your relationship is genuine and I hope that comes through to the Casa embassy.   ❤️

Aww this means sooo much, thank you ! I am not as mean as my posts come across I promise, I just hate injustices and I know it comes across sometimes as if I am unfair or attacking the older/younger partnership but I am not, heck I am older by eight years. I just get frustrated when I see these things because it is clear to me that it's not genuine and they are being taken advantage of YET they still skid through rather easily. Case and point, there was a case on here who went for an interview recently and sh'es significantly older than him, visited only once and he was told to turn in his passport and submit extra documentation. Two or three weeks before a young married couple went in and was given the DS form, others were flat out denied with no obvious red flags, this is what I am referring to. I am not targeting anyone, I just wish things were more balanced BUT as you mentioned as well as Boiler ,RJandHamid,Geowrian and others, we don't know what the real story is and what "red flags" if any a couple has. I sincerely from the bottom of my heart believe in love no matter the age, but if it's a visa motivated one, and that can easily be seen, I am not okay with it . I have decided to not comment anymore if it's harsh and I tend to be too honest but I won't, but I also won't be there to give sympathy when they come back crying and complaining and saying how bad Moroccan men are, hell, you should've known it was the case because you didn't think to yourself , "hell, this man wouldn't date me if he was a young 25 year old American".

 

Thank you for your sweet comment, greatly appreciated ❤️

 

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Well I think everybody understands the issues, and I know I have said this before but until we are able to mind read there is no obvious solution.

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11 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Well I think everybody understands the issues, and I know I have said this before but until we are able to mind read there is no obvious solution.

We might not be able to mind read but we all have a sixth sense, intuition , common sense etc but sometimes with love we can be blinded and I am very aware believe me how foolish we can be because of it and you are so right.

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hi guys ! i passed the interview 3 weekes later 9 the intierview was so good with that consulate .he was so nice to me  ,but at the end the consulate gave me  like a white paper contains that your visa is refused under section 221 (g) , and i was asked by the sonsulate to fill up the DS 55 35 , i filled it up and i sent it back 3 days after the intervieiw  .so  just two days ago i checked my status and i found it turned on from ready to "application received".

is there any body passed through the same experience ?

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9 minutes ago, mohamed el amrani said:

hi guys ! i passed the interview 3 weekes later 9 the intierview was so good with that consulate .he was so nice to me  ,but at the end the consulate gave me  like a white paper contains that your visa is refused under section 221 (g) , and i was asked by the sonsulate to fill up the DS 55 35 , i filled it up and i sent it back 3 days after the intervieiw  .so  just two days ago i checked my status and i found it turned on from ready to "application received".

is there any body passed through the same experience ?

There are threads on this topic and it is not unheard of for Morocco to issue the DS-5535. Search through the history and you should find a couple of thread talking about just what you are experiencing.

 

There is another member on VJ that is more knowledgeable then I am with the embassy at Morocco. Maybe @Adil & Jeanne would guide you.

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