Moved threads in the UK forum

[TimsDaisy 0]

Just a question - that may get bounced to site discussion and prove the point further . . . . .

Psho posted a question specific to the UK forum which got moved to the general consulate discussion forum. That explains all the non-UK member responses that posted there, but, in that case, it was a question about London's requirements that probably should've stayed here. Do I know for a fact that the answer is country-dependent? No, I don't. But since psho wanted an answer fast and wanted it to be right and wanted it to be London-specific, why move it?

Same goes, AGAIN, with AlienUKGirl's TOTALLY AWESOME entire scanned packet 3 post that got dumped in that other forum as well.

Yeah, it's nice to have it in the general knowledge base, but it is MOST USEFUL to London Embassy people. So why hide the ball? When I search for London Embassy things, I search here first and foremost. As would most newbies, I would guess.

Perhaps, if the Organizers/Moderators/Powers-that-be are concerned about getting more into the general forum, then pin a thread there where people can post links to packet scans, etc, but leave them in their dang regional forums.

(this piggy backs nicely with the superficial - and I mean, on-the-surface, not "shallow" - question that LisaD asked yesterday about visiting and commenting in other regional forums. VJ is nothing but gossip and time wasting if it doesn't provide information to users and members. don't muck about with the really helpful factual stuff or (even innocently) mislead newbies or the less familiar!)

So I guess I'm asking for those sorts of threads to be moved back OR for the organizer who moves them to include a post identifying him/herself and giving a reason.

[no name 1]

From VJ:

Regional Discussion

This Forum is dedicated to discussion on the major regions around the world. Topics of discussion may include travel, moving, what to eat and any other experience you may wish to share or inquire about. Have fun!

[Leney 0]

Actually, I've found that annoying myself when I asked London Embassy specific questions, it was moved to the Embassy section, and I was told "why the hell didn't you post this in the UK discussion...when I said I did it was moved, I got nothing helpful

By that logic, why would we discuss medicals (or medical and interview information be pinned at the top), or visa specific information in this regional discussion. Seems a bit inconsistent to me.

[Kez/JWolf 6]

Dont see why things to do with the London Embassy should be moved out of here.... if I was looking for info for the US this is where I would come looking....

Kez

[TimsDaisy 0]

From VJ:

Regional Discussion

This Forum is dedicated to discussion on the major regions around the world. Topics of discussion may include travel, moving, what to eat and any other experience you may wish to share or inquire about. Have fun!

Is this offered to support the moving of items or just as general information?

If it is meant to say that the regional forum should be nothing but "gosh, what biccies I'm craving today!" or "I heart Ipswich Town Footie Club" then it's a cute forum, but not useful.

And, as Leney points out, there's a lot of useful information that STAYS here. Lately, it seems like stuff has been moved more than before. Perhaps I'm noticing it more now because I'm to the point where I actually NEED the london embassy stuff, rather than reading it as a preview.

And yes, I know the "moved" line, etc, stays in the forum, but the questions are much more likely to get a bunch of semi-helpful or downright wrong answers from people giving answers based on some non-UK country.

btw: you're an "organizer" - are you doing most of the moving lately?

Edited May 23, 2007 by TimsDaisy

[no name 1]

The 'rule' about moving things is this:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=64412

[TimsDaisy 0]

The 'rule' about moving things is this:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=64412

Again, I ask: for what purpose do you offer this information. It seems, again, to support my contention that things of the sort over which I posted this thread should stay put in the UK regional forum.

And you have not answered my question: have you been doing the moving lately?

To emphasize: almost all of the rule to which you link - #1 in that thread, unless you meant something more specific, in which case, please provide the link directly to it - says LEAVE IT BE unless it is clearly in the wrong place:

When Not to Move:

There will always be overlap between forums so often a topic may fit equally well in both. If this is the case the topic should remain in the original forum it was posted in.

If a topic contains issues that are related to more than one forum(s) theme but however the initial AND primary topic relates to the Forum it is currently in then the topic should not be moved.

If a topic seems out of place but does not have a clear forum it could be moved to, then it should be left where it was posted.

Example: Person A discusses a general K1 question but then also talks about Adjustment of Status and other issues. In this case the topic should remain in the K1 forum since their intial and primary topic was K1 related but then they also discussed other issues.

When to move:

The initial AND primary theme of a topic does not fit the description of the Forum it was posted in and another forum's description fits the thread's theme MUCH better. In this case the topic should be moved to the correct Forum.

General Rule:

--o If the initial and primary theme of a topic does not relate to the forum it is in and another forum is MUCH more applicable then it can be moved.

--o If there is any ambiguity or the topic seems vague and clearly does not have another forum that fits MUCH better then leave it where it is.

Emphasis added. All of this indicates, by my reading, that too much of the moved content lately should've stayed put or been moved back. So if you aren't moving it, I'd love to know who is and I'd love to know why they feel things are inappropriately posted here.

Edited May 23, 2007 by TimsDaisy

[no name 1]

It's not a science Daisy, it's a gut feeling. If things got moved inappropriately, then oh well, they can be moved back! It's not worth making a whole new post about it.

People have been moving posts for months/years & it's never been an issue.

The 'psho' post stayed in the embassy forum as it is a general Q. The expedited delivery post got moved to UK cuz it is a Q only UKers can answer.

And it doesn't matter who moves posts, does it? I'm not the only organizer - there are quite a few.

Edited May 23, 2007 by devilette

[TimsDaisy 0]

It's not a science Daisy, it's a gut feeling. If things got moved inappropriately, then oh well, they can be moved back! It's not worth making a whole new post about it.

People have been moving posts for months/years & it's never been an issue.

The 'psho' post stayed in the embassy forum as it is a general Q. The expedited delivery post got moved to UK cuz it is a Q only UKers can answer.

And it doesn't matter who moves posts, does it? I'm not the only organizer - there are quite a few.

Oh D, just fess up. Either you've moved a bunch lately or not. You aren't the only organizer, I'm well aware. And yes, posts move all the time. But it seemed to me there was a spike lately in this forum specifically. I've asked for several things to be moved back. One post seems to have been moved back (not something I asked about, but something that should have remained here all along).

I know it isn't a science. But since you're kinda indicating that you've been moving more lately (or at least not denying it at all), then I think you should re-read the guidelines that you linked to. I think the moving has been inappropriate lately. Psho's question was NOT more general than it was London specific. And more to the point, under the guidelines you linked to, it should've stayed here.

It IS worth making a whole new post about it because it is something that directly impacts UK-VJers abilities to find relevant, helpful information.

And moving posts HAS been a big issue. That's why there was a guideline made for it at all!!!!!

To geek out: with power comes responsibility. So either directly deny that you have been a big mover and shaker these days, or just say "yes, I have and this is why," and then we, as a regional forum, can better understand why stuff gets moved and how to avoid the issue entirely. Whoever is moving stuff should step up.

Edited May 23, 2007 by TimsDaisy

[Mags 112]

I'm not on the attack here, so please dont interpret my following post as such.

Sub-titling a thread "Will the Organizer please stand up?" is a bit much. It isn't a crime to move a thread and we ARE all human AND fallible after all. If you feel it was wrong why the need to make a topic about it? Surely you could PM an Organizer who has links to the UK forum (or Ewok), explain to them why you felt the topic should be moved back to the UK forum and, more than likely, they would assent to move it back.

I suggest that if anyone is unhappy with a moved post that in the future PM one of us and explain your reasoning. If it makes sense then I'd certainly be happy to move it back to the UK forum, as would any of the other Organizers.

If there is a definite reason for it being moved to it's new location, I'm sure we'd be happy to share our reasons for that aswell.

Edited May 23, 2007 by mags

[TimsDaisy 0]

I'm not on the attack here, so please dont interpret my following post as such.

Sub-titling a thread "Will the Organizer please stand up?" is a bit much. It isn't a crime to move a thread and we ARE all human AND fallible after all. If you feel it was wrong why the need to make a topic about it? Surely you could PM an Organizer who has links to the UK forum (or Ewok), explain to them why you felt the topic should be moved back to the UK forum and, more than likely, they would assent to move it back.

I suggest that if anyone is unhappy with a moved post that in the future PM one of us and explain your reasoning. If it makes sense then I'd certainly be happy to move it back to the UK forum, as would any of the other Organizers.

If there is a definite reason for it being moved to it's new location, I'm sure we'd be happy to share our reasons for that aswell.

Well, after asking as much in several threads and hearing nothing but crickets, it seemed right to ask the question of the group. Organizers are publically identified and are serving a special role on VJ. So we get to ask questions about it. It didn't start as an attack (it started as a riff on the Slim Shady song lyric), but once and Organizer appeared and was dodgy or incomplete in an explanation, I got even more tired of the practice than I was at first.

There was a whole big to-do about moving posts a month or two back and it seemed like things had started running more smoothly with less post moving and more understandable instances where it occurs. Then, in the last week or so, it seemed like there was a marked increase in the post movement here in the subforum, which I hadn't seen before. And I think it's a concern of EVERYONE in the region. If I PM with an organizer or two, then it just keeps the process as mum as it is now - which is the problem with it.

It was a simple enough request and a simple thing to cure/answer. But that didn't happen and it still isn't happening.

If we move the information and people can't find it, there was no use for anyone typing it up to begin with.

[no name 1]

It's not a science Daisy, it's a gut feeling. If things got moved inappropriately, then oh well, they can be moved back! It's not worth making a whole new post about it.

People have been moving posts for months/years & it's never been an issue.

The 'psho' post stayed in the embassy forum as it is a general Q. The expedited delivery post got moved to UK cuz it is a Q only UKers can answer.

And it doesn't matter who moves posts, does it? I'm not the only organizer - there are quite a few.

Oh D, just fess up. Either you've moved a bunch lately or not. You aren't the only organizer, I'm well aware. And yes, posts move all the time. But it seemed to me there was a spike lately in this forum specifically. I've asked for several things to be moved back. One post seems to have been moved back (not something I asked about, but something that should have remained here all along).

I know it isn't a science. But since you're kinda indicating that you've been moving more lately (or at least not denying it at all), Did I? I never said that. I think you are blaming the wrong person. then I think you should re-read the guidelines that you linked to. I think the moving has been inappropriate lately. Psho's question was NOT more general than it was London specific. And more to the point, under the guidelines you linked to, it should've stayed here.

It IS worth making a whole new post about it because it is something that directly impacts UK-VJers abilities to find relevant, helpful information.

And moving posts HAS been a big issue. That's why there was a guideline made for it at all!!!!!

To geek out: with power comes responsibility. So either directly deny that you have been a big mover and shaker these days, or just say "yes, I have and this is why," and then we, as a regional forum, can better understand why stuff gets moved and how to avoid the issue entirely. Whoever is moving stuff should step up.

Daisy, I'm asking you to stop attacking me. I have not moved all posts you are referring to, so PLEASE stop harping that I have!!!! I move some every day, in all different forums. I EXPLAINED to you the 2 I moved & why. I'm not aware I needed to come ask you about every post I move?

I do not do the organizing to 'power trip' as you put it. I see VJ as a valuable resource & I offered to help out so I could give back. Moving posts is hardly 'power'. I certainly didn't expect to receive flak over moving 2 posts.

Sub-titling a thread "Will the Organizer please stand up?" is a bit much. It isn't a crime to move a thread and we ARE all human AND fallible after all. If you feel it was wrong why the need to make a topic about it? Surely you could PM an Organizer who has links to the UK forum (or Ewok), explain to them why you felt the topic should be moved back to the UK forum and, more than likely, they would assent to move it back.

Thanks mags.

[TimsDaisy 0]

d- that's all I asked for you to say. and this whole thing started, again, not as an attack, but a request for information and a request for some stuff to stay put/be put back.

i never once said you were on a "power-trip," so i'm not sure what you're quoting there. nor was my complaint over just 2 posts. it was over the bunch, as of late. i asked about two posts (psho's and AlienUKGirl's - the latter of which was moved awhile ago, but would still do well to be put back here).

like i said, if it's not you, it's not you. i'd still like others to include a note when they move a post saying why it got the boot. i have no control over whether or not that happens.

[no name 1]

d- that's all I asked for you to say.

And once again, I moved 2 & explained why like 5 posts ago!!!

i never once said you were on a "power-trip," so i'm not sure what you're quoting there.

To geek out: with power comes responsibility. So either directly deny that you have been a big mover and shaker these days, or just say "yes, I have and this is why," and then we, as a regional forum, can better understand why stuff gets moved and how to avoid the issue entirely. Whoever is moving stuff should step up.

i'd still like others to include a note when they move a post saying why it got the boot.

it's been discussed in Site Issues & there is no way to do so. Also it would clutter an already cluttered forum. Like I said, it's NEVER been an issue. Someone can ask why it's moved & the mover can tell you or move it back.

Mountain out of a molehill.

[Mags 112]

Well, after asking as much in several threads and hearing nothing but crickets, it seemed right to ask the question of the group. Organizers are publically identified and are serving a special role on VJ. So we get to ask questions about it. It didn't start as an attack (it started as a riff on the Slim Shady song lyric), but once and Organizer appeared and was dodgy or incomplete in an explanation, I got even more tired of the practice than I was at first.

There was a whole big to-do about moving posts a month or two back and it seemed like things had started running more smoothly with less post moving and more understandable instances where it occurs. Then, in the last week or so, it seemed like there was a marked increase in the post movement here in the subforum, which I hadn't seen before. And I think it's a concern of EVERYONE in the region. If I PM with an organizer or two, then it just keeps the process as mum as it is now - which is the problem with it.

It was a simple enough request and a simple thing to cure/answer. But that didn't happen and it still isn't happening.

If we move the information and people can't find it, there was no use for anyone typing it up to begin with.

Daisy ~ I personally can move quite a few threads one day and then none for a few days. I do not have a record of what thread I moved where and I certainly don't memorize it. If someone asked me what thread I moved last I'm afraid I'd be at a loss to name it.

Perhaps there HAS been some moving around of threads again lately...perhaps because they needed to be moved, and perhaps there hasn't been any movement over the last few weeks because none required moving up until that point. It comes in fits and starts, nothing is regular about it at all.

You are going to have days where you will find threads moved, it is the nature of a forum. I can only count one or two moved threads in the UK forum and I find that hardly OTT. To bring this up again, to me, just feels like we are getting ready for another "Organizer Bashing" and it isn't going to go anywhere except to take everyone round in circles over old ground.

I'm sorry if this isn't the answer you require but I really don't know what else to tell you. My inbox is always open if anyone wants to ask about having a moved thread put back.

Edited May 23, 2007 by mags