Poll: Public Wants Illegals to Go Home

[peejay 327]

peejay,

Labor should be cheap. It is plentiful.

What is wrong with importing what is plentiful and cheap elsewhere if the resource is scarce and expensive where you are?

Nothing. Not doing so is committing economic suicide.

It's a race to the toilet to see who can cut each other's throat. That is national suicide. Oligarchs ruling over peasants? Great if you are an oligarch...not so great if you are the peasant.

Let's not go there. It's been done before and wasn't too popular with the masses.

If it's so great...move back to India. Plenty of bargain basement dirt cheap labor there. You'll be in hog heaven.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

peejay,

Labor should be cheap. It is plentiful.

What is wrong with importing what is plentiful and cheap elsewhere if the resource is scarce and expensive where you are?

Nothing. Not doing so is committing economic suicide.

It's a race to the toilet to see who can cut each other's throat. That is national suicide. Oligarchs ruling over peasants? Great if you are an oligarch...not so great if you are the peasant.

Let's not go there. It's been done before and wasn't too popular with the masses.

If it's so great...move back to India. Plenty of bargain basement dirt cheap labor there. You'll be in hog heaven.

Back to basics, peejay.

If something is cheap and plentiful across the border, it is simply stupid to pay more for it and endure an artificial shortage for it due to national pride.

It's kind of like enduring a drought when your neighbor has reservoirs that are well above capacity. If it isn't our water, we don't want it?

The truth is that labor is an economic ingredient just like water and corn and everything else. The fact that you and I are part of the labor pool doesn't change that basic fact, all it does is introduce emotion.

[peejay 327]

peejay,

Labor should be cheap. It is plentiful.

What is wrong with importing what is plentiful and cheap elsewhere if the resource is scarce and expensive where you are?

Nothing. Not doing so is committing economic suicide.

It's a race to the toilet to see who can cut each other's throat. That is national suicide. Oligarchs ruling over peasants? Great if you are an oligarch...not so great if you are the peasant.

Let's not go there. It's been done before and wasn't too popular with the masses.

If it's so great...move back to India. Plenty of bargain basement dirt cheap labor there. You'll be in hog heaven.

Back to basics, peejay.

If something is cheap and plentiful across the border, it is simply stupid to pay more for it and endure an artificial shortage for it due to national pride.

It's kind of like enduring a drought when your neighbor has reservoirs that are well above capacity. If it isn't our water, we don't want it?

The truth is that labor is an economic ingredient just like water and corn and everything else. The fact that you and I are part of the labor pool doesn't change that basic fact, all it does is introduce emotion.

I don't buy that logic. Artificially inducing a labor glut to drive down wages benefits the few at the expense of the many. It is a lot more complicated than you state and has a lot more ramifications for a modern industrialized welfare state that has a cornucopia of entitlements that most of the world lacks.

Throwing open the door to America with labor that makes $3 a day is economic stupidity and the chickens will eventually come to roost for all except for the 1% to 2% that will come out smelling like a rose. Does shitting in your own Cheerios come to mind? No thanks...I'll pay a little more to preserve my vision of the America I grew up in. You can have the Third World and the cheapo labor that goes along with it.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

peejay,

Labor should be cheap. It is plentiful.

What is wrong with importing what is plentiful and cheap elsewhere if the resource is scarce and expensive where you are?

Nothing. Not doing so is committing economic suicide.

It's a race to the toilet to see who can cut each other's throat. That is national suicide. Oligarchs ruling over peasants? Great if you are an oligarch...not so great if you are the peasant.

Let's not go there. It's been done before and wasn't too popular with the masses.

If it's so great...move back to India. Plenty of bargain basement dirt cheap labor there. You'll be in hog heaven.

Back to basics, peejay.

If something is cheap and plentiful across the border, it is simply stupid to pay more for it and endure an artificial shortage for it due to national pride.

It's kind of like enduring a drought when your neighbor has reservoirs that are well above capacity. If it isn't our water, we don't want it?

The truth is that labor is an economic ingredient just like water and corn and everything else. The fact that you and I are part of the labor pool doesn't change that basic fact, all it does is introduce emotion.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Artificially inducing a labor glut to drive down wages ...

When a commodity is plentiful, it should be cheap.

Labor is plentiful.

What you are suggesting is artifically inducing a labor shortage. Labor is an essential ingredient in the workings of any economy, regardless of its maturity or stage of development. How can you possibly think inducing an artificial shortage in an essential commodity is a good thing?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Artificially inducing a labor glut to drive down wages ...

When a commodity is plentiful, it should be cheap.

Labor is plentiful.

What you are suggesting is artifically inducing a labor shortage. Labor is an essential ingredient in the workings of any economy, regardless of its maturity or stage of development. How can you possibly think inducing an artificial shortage in an essential commodity is a good thing?

You have to look at why the labor is cheap. Are they in effect using slave labor? Are they paid fairly and have adequate working conditions? I don't think there is anything that isn't artificial in some way or another. We put tariffs on trade and subsidize different commodities.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I don't think there is anything that isn't artificial in some way or another. We put tariffs on trade and subsidize different commodities.

Very true, we do. And we really shouldn't. But that's long-term, for the short term while we transition our nations over to a truly free market system (we're not there yet, not the US, not Mexico, not India, not no one), tariffs etc will persist.

You have to look at why the labor is cheap.

Labor is cheap because high quality labor is plentiful. Especially if you're talking about professions with low barriers of entry.

[peejay 327]

Artificially inducing a labor glut to drive down wages ...

When a commodity is plentiful, it should be cheap.

Labor is plentiful.

What you are suggesting is artifically inducing a labor shortage. Labor is an essential ingredient in the workings of any economy, regardless of its maturity or stage of development. How can you possibly think inducing an artificial shortage in an essential commodity is a good thing?

You have to look at why the labor is cheap. Are they in effect using slave labor? Are they paid fairly and have adequate working conditions? I don't think there is anything that isn't artificial in some way or another. We put tariffs on trade and subsidize different commodities.

I look at the thread above this one and you're not even consistent. Cheap labor is wonderful if it lets in all your illegal alien amigos unrestrained, but it is bad if it drives down wages and working conditions. Steven speak with forked tongue.

[Anais Nin 0]

That would be nice if the illegals go back home and never come back for good lol.

At the same time,, we want our fresh produce at the grocery cheap

Who's we? Speak for yourself! Cheap cucumbers aren't so cheap when people look at the big picture. It's not so simplistic or really so cheap.

The big picture is that you get cheap goods and services, thus keeping a lid on inflation and therefore interest rates. Not to ignore the number of additional consumers that enter the Amerikan market. The big picture is that so many amerikans would rather sit in their pygamas at their computers on the internet than out there doing the jobs that Mexicans are doing for you.

From what I've seen, many of these illegals are just hard-working individuals wanting a life for themselves and their families. Bullying of poor people really speaks volumes about you and your ethics.

But why would you care? Your country attacks defenceless countries everywhere - just ask anyone in Latin America.

[Artegal 1]

But why would you care? Your country attacks defenceless countries everywhere - just ask anyone in Latin America.

That is the paradox of the World--here you see Latinos, Africans, Arabs, Asians etc. burning flags of the USA, Bush in Effigy, and defacing McDonalds or other simbols of the USA--yet take any poll anywhere in the world and you see the same anti-american eager to gain a visa to come to the USA. How much of this is envy--or what have you with the love-hate relationship. I guess the USA is like a gorgeous woman that won't let you have your way with her--so you bash her out of disappointment and disbain--yet at the same time still yearn to be in her arms if she will ever truly have you.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Artificially inducing a labor glut to drive down wages ...

When a commodity is plentiful, it should be cheap.

Labor is plentiful.

What you are suggesting is artifically inducing a labor shortage. Labor is an essential ingredient in the workings of any economy, regardless of its maturity or stage of development. How can you possibly think inducing an artificial shortage in an essential commodity is a good thing?

You have to look at why the labor is cheap. Are they in effect using slave labor? Are they paid fairly and have adequate working conditions? I don't think there is anything that isn't artificial in some way or another. We put tariffs on trade and subsidize different commodities.

I look at the thread above this one and you're not even consistent. Cheap labor is wonderful if it lets in all your illegal alien amigos unrestrained, but it is bad if it drives down wages and working conditions. Steven speak with forked tongue.

Opening trade to a global economy meant that we'd be faced with such dilemna's. The ideal was that eventually, the quality of life would improve in the developing nations. I agree with Gupt - we need to do away with subsidies and other forms of protectionism but demand fair competition all around.

[homesick_american 1]

Opening trade to a global economy meant that we'd be faced with such dilemna's. The ideal was that eventually, the quality of life would improve in the developing nations. I agree with Gupt - we need to do away with subsidies and other forms of protectionism but demand fair competition all around.

You can't compete fairly with labor in a developing nation unless you want to give up everything that makes the US a developed nation.

Are you a college student or something? I haven't seen naivete like this since I lived in a dorm.

[Artegal 1]

Opening trade to a global economy meant that we'd be faced with such dilemna's. The ideal was that eventually, the quality of life would improve in the developing nations. I agree with Gupt - we need to do away with subsidies and other forms of protectionism but demand fair competition all around.

You can't compete fairly with labor in a developing nation unless you want to give up everything that makes the US a developed nation.

Are you a college student or something? I haven't seen naivete like this since I lived in a dorm.

Its not that--its just that according Steven-Jinky the whole reason that illegal aliens exist is because of Global Trade--as if. Eliminate trade then you eliminate immigration. That might have been a valid argument in the trade triangle--but today is not a one-to-one relationship as Steven-Jinky would have everyone believe.

Edited May 26, 2007 by Artegal

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Opening trade to a global economy meant that we'd be faced with such dilemna's. The ideal was that eventually, the quality of life would improve in the developing nations. I agree with Gupt - we need to do away with subsidies and other forms of protectionism but demand fair competition all around.

You can't compete fairly with labor in a developing nation unless you want to give up everything that makes the US a developed nation.

That's exactly what the architects of NAFTA proposed it would do - by opening up trade with Mexico, their economy would prosper and a standard of living would follow.

It was, however, a flawed premise...it was made on the 'free market' ideal that unrestrained competition brings out the very best. It's a hard sell to say that our heavily subsidized agriculture was superior to the Mexican farmer's crops and that's why they lost.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Opening trade to a global economy meant that we'd be faced with such dilemna's. The ideal was that eventually, the quality of life would improve in the developing nations. I agree with Gupt - we need to do away with subsidies and other forms of protectionism but demand fair competition all around.

You can't compete fairly with labor in a developing nation unless you want to give up everything that makes the US a developed nation.

Are you a college student or something? I haven't seen naivete like this since I lived in a dorm.

Its not that--its just that according Steven-Jinky the whole reason that illegal aliens exist is because of Global Trade--as if. Eliminate trade then you eliminate immigration. That might have been a valid argument in the trade triangle--but today is not a one-to-one relationship as Steven-Jinky would have everyone believe.

I never claimed it would eliminate, but it specifically addresses the influx of Mexican immigrants in the last dozen years since the NAFTA was implemented. The facts lead to that conclusion.