Ethiopian Airlines plane's black box recovered after deadly crash, but is reportedly damaged

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4 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

I believe it was either Rio to Paris, or Sao Paolo to Paris.  I saw it on Air Disasters a while ago, and essentially the autopilot flew the plane into the ocean at least according to the best swag.

 

Flight 447, where the autopilot disengaged because of frozen/blocked pitot tubes and the pilots couldn't understand why freaked out and crashed the airplane?

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38 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

Flight 447, where the autopilot disengaged because of frozen/blocked pitot tubes and the pilots couldn't understand why freaked out and crashed the airplane?

Haven't read it yet, but that's clearly pilot error.

[TBoneTX 45,291]

Here's a lengthy, technical-but-understandable analysis, including first-hand input from a pilot and a retired aircraft-engine engineer:

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2019/03/14/my-investigation-into-the-boeing-737-max-8-and-max-9-problem/

 

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12 hours ago, ALFKAD said:

Haven't read it yet, but that's clearly pilot error.

Yes, it seemed to be a case of too much reliance on automation.  If you want to research another one where the pilots did a phenomenal bit of flying under adverse conditions, look up NW 85.  A 747 from Detroit to Narita that experienced a hard over lower rudder over the Bering Sea.

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8 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Here's a lengthy, technical-but-understandable analysis, including first-hand input from a pilot and a retired aircraft-engine engineer:

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2019/03/14/my-investigation-into-the-boeing-737-max-8-and-max-9-problem/

 

That’s a good start, but Rush really screwed it up when he talked about the Airbus 20, which does not exist.  Me thinks he was referencing the A320, which holds more pax than the 737s (until the MAXs came along).

 

Didn’t get to read the engineer’s part, will do that in a while.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Overall, a sloppy read on Rush's analysis.  He should really stick to politics.  But I guess anyone can sit back and armchair it.  Here's hoping the data comes back with enough definition that positive changes can be made.  I'll be surprised if a large portion of the blame does not end up on the pilots. 

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https://www.foxnews.com/us/hero-pilot-who-landed-plane-in-hudson-river-blasts-pilot-training-in-wake-of-ethiopian-airlines-crash

Hero 'Miracle on the Hudson' pilot blasts 'absurd' lack of training in wake of fatal Ethiopian Airlines crash

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Looks more and more like MCAS issues:

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/15/business/boeing-ethiopian-crash.html

 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

6 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

Looks more and more like MCAS issues:

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/15/business/boeing-ethiopian-crash.html

 

2.5° up is hardly a cause for concern, if the pilots respond properly and disengage MCAS and fly the plane as they are trained to do, right?  MCAS takes 9 seconds to move the stabilizers if memory serves.  I know it's not fast.  A simple thing for trained pilots to react to.

 

But the FO had a whole 200 hours of flight time.  Compared to the 1500 hours required in the US. 

Edited March 15, 2019 by ALFKAD

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1 minute ago, ALFKAD said:

2.5° up is hardly a cause for concern, if the pilots respond properly and disengage MCAS and fly the plane as they are trained to do, right?  MCAS takes 9 seconds to move the stabilizers if memory serves.  I know it's not fast.  A simple thing for trained pilots to react to.

 

But the FO had a whole 200 hours of flight time.  Compared to the 1500 hours required in the US. 

Have they specified if the 200 hours is on the MAX or just in general? 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 minute ago, Unidentified said:

Have they specified if the 200 hours is on the MAX or just in general? 

According to NB2s link...

 

"It has been reported that the first officer on that flight had only 200 hours of flight experience, a small fraction of the minimum in the U.S., and an absurdly low amount for someone in the cockpit of a jet airliner,” he wrote.

 

sounds like total time to me.

 

 

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12 hours ago, ALFKAD said:

Overall, a sloppy read on Rush's analysis.

but:

8 hours ago, Unidentified said:

Looks more and more like MCAS issues

...which is a lot of what he was talking about.

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In a related note, Russian aircraft builder Irkut just flight tested it's third MC-21-300. 

It's supposed to compete with the Boeing 737 MAX 8 and the Airbus A320-neo.

Slated to enter service next year.

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Reminds me of my first trip to Russia more than 15 years ago.  Flew Delta to Moscow, and then a small regional airlines from there to Rostov-on-Don.  Had to use the old Terminal 1 at Sheremetyevo airport which was very interesting to say the least.  Took a bus out to the plane sitting on the tarmac.  It was a very old Russian TU-154, identical to Boeings 727.  As I am walking up the stairs to enter the plane, I looked down and saw the plane had very worn tires with cord showing.  When I got in and finally found my seat, I noticed the inside had been repainted....with a brush, and not done very well.  I was sure my life was going to end with a crash of this ancient Russian aircraft.  As I recall it seemed like the pilot acted like he was flying a MIG in combat. 

[TBoneTX 45,291]

On last trip to Ecu several years ago, I took an internal flight on a prop jet!  That was cool and brought back memories.