Waiver Request - Multiple Filer

[SalishSea 17,836]

2 hours ago, JoSteph said:

No where in my question did I ask for relationship advice.  I don't want to pick a fight with a senior member, but this forum is intended to help people in their "visaJourney".  There are definitely times when asking someone such a loaded question is justified, but honestly, wisdom would dictate that a question like that is best done in private.  

 

If you or anyone here has advice on my question, I will accept it with an open mind, but you crossed a line.  

 

This is a public forum, everyone is free to comment or ask questions.  I did not offer relationship advice.  

 

Expect more scrutiny from USCIS than you’ll get on an Internet forum in any case.

[JoSteph 3]

1 hour ago, Jorgedig said:

This is a public forum, everyone is free to comment or ask questions.  I did not offer relationship advice.  

 

Expect more scrutiny from USCIS than you’ll get on an Internet forum in any case.

Yes you are right, you have the right to say anything within guidelines that you wish to say here.  But before you say anything, ask yourself, "is this going to help the person in question?"  - If you can't answer yes to that question, you might want to check your motives for weighing in at all on the topic.  

 

I am done with this topic though, I got some good advice from others here.

 

 

Edited February 22, 2019 by JoSteph

[Zaczon 62]

2 minutes ago, JoSteph said:

Yes you are right, you have the right to say anything within guidelines that you wish to say here.  But before you say anything, ask yourself, "is this going to help the person in question?"  - If you can't answer yes to that question, you might want to check your motives for weighing in at all on the topic.  

 

Either way, you are right, USCIS should be a cakewalk compared to you.

Great reply from you but you just need to calm down.

I dont think it was a bad question he asked about though but then again you should really have an answer to a question like that just incase its been poised to you.

Also to Jorgedig,you cant just shutter someone’s plan and instil unnecessary fear out of nothing.

USCIS works with proof.If you can prove to them you are clean,you will be approved.

I wish you all the best JoSteph and just keep cool and be precise in your submissions.

 

[Going through 5,671]

Just to reiterate there will be some added scrutiny as this is your third petition, and there may be some scrutiny as to the turnaround times between prior divorce(s) and subsequent filing(s) from the timeline you gave...best of luck to you.

[JoSteph 3]

1 minute ago, Going through said:

Just to reiterate there will be some added scrutiny as this is your third petition, and there may be some scrutiny as to the turnaround times between prior divorce(s) and subsequent filing(s) from the timeline you gave...best of luck to you.

Thank you - I thought my timeline helped legitimize my request for waiver -   Filed first time in 2004 - married 2005 in US - divorced in 2010 --  filed in 2012 - over 2 years after divorce - the second time - we were married for 5 years as well -- divorcing in 2017 -  Filing now and hope to get married in late 2019 -- From first filing to this one is 15 years - 

 

My past experience has taught me that USCIS is made up of good people, doing their jobs to the best of their abilities.  One of their biggest stated tasks is to find human traffickers, drug smugglers and convicted felons who hurt women.  Based on the other responses from those seeking to offer insight on the subject, USCIS is not going to judge my failed marriages, just judge whether I married in good faith.  I think that will be the focus of their scrutiny.  

 

I really appreciate your feedback, do you still think the timeline will be an issue? and if so, why?  I need to hear good thoughts on the subject to prepare.

[SalishSea 17,836]

11 minutes ago, Zaczon said:

Great reply from you but you just need to calm down.

I dont think it was a bad question he asked about though but then again you should really have an answer to a question like that just incase its been poised to you.

Also to Jorgedig,you cant just shutter someone’s plan and instil unnecessary fear out of nothing.

USCIS works with proof.If you can prove to them you are clean,you will be approved.

I wish you all the best JoSteph and just keep cool and be precise in your submissions.

 

I’m a she, FYI.   And how exactly did I “shutter someone’s plan”?  

 

He WILL get extra scrutiny as a multiple filer (hence the need for a waiver).   That isn’t a matter of opinion or fear-mongering.

 

Better to be prepared for such questions (which indecently,  could come in the forms of Qs to his fiancé at the consular interview, if the petition is approved), than not.

 

[geowrian 22,337]

I doubt it will be an issue for the waiver or petition as a whole. Multiple filer waivers are regularly approved from everything I've seen, and the petition itself is based on eligibility to petition and nothing more.

 

The real challenge can come in at the embassy stage. They may consider a pattern of petitioning for people.

I personally doubt it will be much of an issue with Manila, although they do seem to be a little more strict in the past couple months (they were historically not particularly difficult at all).

The CO looks at more than just potential traffickers, smugglers, etc. They look at the totality of the circumstances to determine if the relationship is legitimate. This is entirely a judgement call on their part, although based on evidence provided.

 

3 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

Better to be prepared for such questions (which indecently,  could come in the forms of Qs to his fiancé at the consular interview, if the petition is approved), than not.

Very true...the CO may not ask about it at all. They may also hone in on this and it's best to be 100% prepared.

Edited February 22, 2019 by geowrian

[Zaczon 62]

4 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

I’m a she, FYI.   And how exactly did I “shutter someone’s plan”?  

 

He WILL get extra scrutiny as a multiple filer (hence the need for a waiver).   That isn’t a matter of opinion or fear-mongering.

 

Better to be prepared for such questions (which indecently,  could come in the forms of Qs to his fiancé at the consular interview, if the petition is approved), than not.

 

My bad then.

But my problem was how you just jump into conclusions about what the USCIS is going to do to him.For all you know,if he gives them what they want,he wont have a problem with his processing.

But I did acknowledge your question was a good one and something he should prepare to face though.

[Zaczon 62]

5 minutes ago, geowrian said:

I doubt it will be an issue for the waiver or petition as a whole. Multiple filer waivers are regularly approved from everything I've seen, and the petition itself is based on eligibility to petition and nothing more.

 

The real challenge can come in at the embassy stage. They may consider a pattern of petitioning for people.

I personally doubt it will be much of an issue with Manila, although they do seem to be a little more strict in the past couple months (they were historically not particularly difficult at all).

The CO looks at more than just potential traffickers, smugglers, etc. They look at the totality of the circumstances to determine if the relationship is legitimate. This is entirely a judgement call on their part, although based on evidence provided.

 

Very true...the CO may not ask about it at all. They may also hone in on this and it's best to be 100% prepared.

True.

Exactly what I was saying.

[Going through 5,671]

8 hours ago, JoSteph said:

Based on the other responses from those seeking to offer insight on the subject, USCIS is not going to judge my failed marriages, just judge whether I married in good faith.  I think that will be the focus of their scrutiny.  

They are not going to judge the reason for your failed marriages, no.  But part of their scrutiny will be if you present as a person with a pattern of filing, but also how the relationship presents as bonafide as a whole.

 

During the embassy interview, they CAN bring up your failed marriages---your fiancee might be asked the same question (in a roundabout way) you took offense to on the other page---foreign fiancees have been asked in the past something along the lines of "he's been married X amount of times before, why would you want to marry someone who might divorce you after 5 years like the others?" or something like that.  Your fiancee may also be asked WHY you got divorced (the CO might be looking to see if she knows the details behind your previous marriages/if you share private info as a couple, in this case).  In a recent interview reported on another forum I read, the fiancee--who's US petitioner was also a multiple filer----was off-the-cuff asked "how come he doesn't look for an American wife and only wants wives from X country?" Probably a rhetorical question, but surely wasn't pleasant to face.

 

As mentioned above, Manila is not an overly harsh embassy to deal with---but they seem to have become a bit more strict over the last little while.

Edited February 22, 2019 by Going through

[SalishSea 17,836]

8 hours ago, Going through said:

They are not going to judge the reason for your failed marriages, no.  But part of their scrutiny will be if you present as a person with a pattern of filing, but also how the relationship presents as bonafide as a whole.

 

During the embassy interview, they CAN bring up your failed marriages---your fiancee might be asked the same question (in a roundabout way) you took offense to on the other page---foreign fiancees have been asked in the past something along the lines of "he's been married X amount of times before, why would you want to marry someone who might divorce you after 5 years like the others?" or something like that.  Your fiancee may also be asked WHY you got divorced (the CO might be looking to see if she knows the details behind your previous marriages/if you share private info as a couple, in this case).  In a recent interview reported on another forum I read, the fiancee--who's US petitioner was also a multiple filer----was off-the-cuff asked "how come he doesn't look for an American wife and only wants wives from X country?" Probably a rhetorical question, but surely wasn't pleasant to face.

 

As mentioned above, Manila is not an overly harsh embassy to deal with---but they seem to have become a bit more strict over the last little while.

Exactly!

[praisejourney 25]

What was the outcome of your waiver request?

[JoSteph 3]

17 hours ago, praisejourney said:

What was the outcome of your waiver request?

We were approved - I sent a 3 inch thick 3 ring binder with 37 separate exhibits.  I wrote a letter detailing our journey and with each point, I referenced an exhibit.  It must have worked well because they acknowledged receipt of our Response to the RFE on 9/11.  We received our NOA2 on October 9.  I tried very hard to document everything about our relationship and the trips we have taken together because the RFE seemed really focused on a doubt that our relationship was legitimate.  

[payxibka 10,045]

5 minutes ago, JoSteph said:

We were approved - I sent a 3 inch thick 3 ring binder with 37 separate exhibits.  I wrote a letter detailing our journey and with each point, I referenced an exhibit.  It must have worked well because they acknowledged receipt of our Response to the RFE on 9/11.  We received our NOA2 on October 9.  I tried very hard to document everything about our relationship and the trips we have taken together because the RFE seemed really focused on a doubt that our relationship was legitimate.  

You sent a 37 exhibit, 3" thick response to an RFE for a multiple filing waiver ?

[SmallTownPA 72]

On 2/22/2019 at 12:11 AM, Jorgedig said:

He WILL get extra scrutiny as a multiple filer (hence the need for a waiver).   That isn’t a matter of opinion or fear-mongering.

Well, for a general waiver if your background check is clean (ie no domestic violence, no felonies) I don't think that there will be anything more to it.

 

If you had convictions or a DV complaint then yes, its on like donkey kong.

 

Not many people follow up... props to the OP for giving us closure lol

Edited December 2, 2019 by SmallTownPA