Mueller says searches yielded evidence of Stone-WikiLeaks communications

[Dashinka 24,752]

 

29 minutes ago, refugee said:

When a federal prosecutor files charges, you move from speculation toward proof. The original article said nothing new was revealed,  which in a sense is true. We just recieved confirmation of what people feared about Stone. 

Maybe yes, maybe no.  Just because a federal prosecutor files charges doesn't mean any material they have is true.  Besides, isn't Stone charged with a process crime of lying to the all powerful investigators, and/or to Congress.  Gotta love it when process crimes are the fall back.

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2 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

 

Maybe yes, maybe no.  Just because a federal prosecutor files charges doesn't mean any material they have is true.  Besides, isn't Stone charged with a process crime of lying to the all powerful investigators, and/or to Congress.  Gotta love it when process crimes are the fall back.

Gotta love how lying to congress under oath is no biggie.  Shouldn't we consider all crimes process crimes of a sort?  "Your honor, my client was not breaking and entering,  he was merely in the "process" of bringing the 65 inch OLED Flat Screen TV to a more appropriate and loving family what will appreciate it"

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

3 minutes ago, refugee said:

Gotta love how lying to congress under oath is no biggie.  Shouldn't we consider all crimes process crimes of a sort?  "Your honor, my client was not breaking and entering,  he was merely in the "process" of bringing the 65 inch OLED Flat Screen TV to a more appropriate and loving family what will appreciate it"

Maybe you are right, but couldn't that also be described as social-democracy, allowing someone without to benefit from someone else's efforts in an effort to be fair?

[Dashinka 24,752]

32 minutes ago, refugee said:

Gotta love how lying to congress under oath is no biggie.  Shouldn't we consider all crimes process crimes of a sort?  "Your honor, my client was not breaking and entering,  he was merely in the "process" of bringing the 65 inch OLED Flat Screen TV to a more appropriate and loving family what will appreciate it"

So you are equating breaking and entering and theft to a lying to the FBI/Congress?  You do know that the whole process crime often comes down to a personal judgement of the investigators/prosecutors believing one person over another with very little concrete evidence to back either party up?  The Feds can hammer anyone they want and force them to either give up due to excessive costs or just antipathy at not being able to defend oneself.  Heck, your own OP said there is nothing that shows the Mueller/Wisemann team has any more information in their court filings than is already publicly known.  Regardless, it is not a crime to talk to anyone from a foreign country, it is not even a crime to pay a foreign agent for opposition research (this may be an election violation, but most likely just a fine), parties do it all the time, but in the Left's all encompassing TDS there must be a crime  as all the polls said Hillary was going to win so if the Dems don't win an election it must have been stolen.  Personally, I am getting sick of this ongoing two year narrative created by leftist politicians along with their leftist friends in the media (you know the one's they are the same ones that are ignoring Jussie Smollett right now since that narrative fell apart).  The interesting thing is Andrew McCabe went on 60 minutes for whatever reason and really made the case that this whole thing was based on career bureaucrats acting like they should be running the country and decided to start a witch hunt.  That guy deserved to lose his pension.

 

As to Stone, why cannot a defendant defend themselves with whatever means necessary? 

[refugee 169]

22 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So you are equating breaking and entering and theft to a lying to the FBI/Congress?  You do know that the whole process crime often comes down to a personal judgement of the investigators/prosecutors believing one person over another with very little concrete evidence to back either party up?  The Feds can hammer anyone they want and force them to either give up due to excessive costs or just antipathy at not being able to defend oneself.  Heck, your own OP said there is nothing that shows the Mueller/Wisemann team has any more information in their court filings than is already publicly known.  Regardless, it is not a crime to talk to anyone from a foreign country, it is not even a crime to pay a foreign agent for opposition research (this may be an election violation, but most likely just a fine), parties do it all the time, but in the Left's all encompassing TDS there must be a crime  as all the polls said Hillary was going to win so if the Dems don't win an election it must have been stolen.  Personally, I am getting sick of this ongoing two year narrative created by leftist politicians along with their leftist friends in the media (you know the one's they are the same ones that are ignoring Jussie Smollett right now since that narrative fell apart).  The interesting thing is Andrew McCabe went on 60 minutes for whatever reason and really made the case that this whole thing was based on career bureaucrats acting like they should be running the country and decided to start a witch hunt.  That guy deserved to lose his pension.

 

As to Stone, why cannot a defendant defend themselves with whatever means necessary? 

 You are getting sick of the narrative?  The feeble attempt to gaslight folks who want an honest assessment of our vulnerabilities with the label TDS is tiresome.  Americans have been polled on this, they just want a fair investigation. Smollett  has nothing to do with this case, why bring it up?  

 

I think there is a TDS syndrome, it is occurring in those who think it is impossible that the Trump campaign was associated with, witting or unwittingly, the attempt of a foreign dictator to disrupt our election and public opinion process. We are told that this is a "deep state conspiracy" where the "global elites" are attempting to subvert the will of the people.  The suggestion that Putin is attempting to disrupt Democracy in the west is dismissed as fantasy.  What a crock.

 

  No one told Roger Stone to tamper with witnesses, no one instructed him to coordinate election activities with foreign powers and lie about it to congress and the FBI .  Now we can add attempting to intimidate a federal judge to the list.  Stone is entitled to a vigorous defense, but at the very least he is guilty of poor impulse control.

 

 

 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

4 hours ago, refugee said:

It should read many have been arrested, but maha doesn't have the same ring.

Folks were talking on Reddit about this forum, it fired me up to visit.

Are you trying to take over for NB2?

 

That would be MHBA.

 

Ironic, this forum being talked about on Reddit.  Share the link?  I wanna see what they are saying about usn’s.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

11 minutes ago, refugee said:

 You are getting sick of the narrative?  The feeble attempt to gaslight folks who want an honest assessment of our vulnerabilities with the label TDS is tiresome.  Americans have been polled on this, they just want a fair investigation. Smollett  has nothing to do with this case, why bring it up?  

 

I think there is a TDS syndrome, it is occurring in those who think it is impossible that the Trump campaign was associated with, witting or unwittingly, the attempt of a foreign dictator to disrupt our election and public opinion process. We are told that this is a "deep state conspiracy" where the "global elites" are attempting to subvert the will of the people.  The suggestion that Putin is attempting to disrupt Democracy in the west is dismissed as fantasy.  What a crock.

 

  No one told Roger Stone to tamper with witnesses, no one instructed him to coordinate election activities with foreign powers and lie about it to congress and the FBI .  Now we can add attempting to intimidate a federal judge to the list.  Stone is entitled to a vigorous defense, but at the very least he is guilty of poor impulse control.

 

 

 

Russia has been trying to defeat the US on many fronts longer than you have been alive.  Relax, we are going to be fine.  The “fair investigation” you seek has been conducted, and found wanting.  Let’s let it die a quiet, natural death, as it should have 18 months ago, eh?

[jg121783 3,921]

1 hour ago, refugee said:

Gotta love how lying to congress under oath is no biggie.  Shouldn't we consider all crimes process crimes of a sort?  "Your honor, my client was not breaking and entering,  he was merely in the "process" of bringing the 65 inch OLED Flat Screen TV to a more appropriate and loving family what will appreciate it"

Except in the case of Roger Stone (which has yet to be proven in his case). Who else has been swat teamed for allegedly lying to Congress? There is a large list of people guilty of this who walk free today. I have listed the names before so I won't do it again. You are right though. Lying to Congress should be taken more seriously for EVERYONE guilty of it.

29 minutes ago, refugee said:

No one told Roger Stone to tamper with witnesses, no one instructed him to coordinate election activities with foreign powers and lie about it to congress and the FBI .  Now we can add attempting to intimidate a federal judge to the list.  Stone is entitled to a vigorous defense, but at the very least he is guilty of poor impulse control.

No one has proven any of these things to be true either. No one has even proven the DNC was actually hacked. I base my judgements on evidence. Not hearsay, political bias and TDS.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

2 hours ago, refugee said:

Gotta love how lying to congress under oath is no biggie.  Shouldn't we consider all crimes process crimes of a sort?  "Your honor, my client was not breaking and entering,  he was merely in the "process" of bringing the 65 inch OLED Flat Screen TV to a more appropriate and loving family what will appreciate it"

Was it a big deal when Hillary lied about the email scandal?

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

I doubt there were many foreign countries that did not have some influence in the election. 

Its know secret the Israelis have a huge influence in American politics as do the Saudi's and on and on 

[TBoneTX 46,016]

12 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

1.  process crime often comes down to a personal judgement of the investigators/prosecutors believing one person over another with very little concrete evidence to back either party up

 

2.  The Feds can hammer anyone they want and force them to either give up due to excessive costs or just antipathy at not being able to defend oneself. 

1.  None of the Mueller convictees was guilty of anything before they talked to the investigators.

2.  The Federal government has unlimited time and resources to make our lives miserable.

[refugee 169]

4 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

1.  None of the Mueller convictees was guilty of anything before they talked to the investigators.

2.  The Federal government has unlimited time and resources to make our lives miserable.

Lets take up number 1. You are not guilty in the eyes of government until found guilty. So yes, semantically, that is how the process works. Generally talking to investigators proceeds a guilty finding.

 

If you are trying to say the failure to declare income for taxes, the use of money laundering, the violation of Federal campaign laws, the failure to register as a foreign agent, bank fraud, identity theft, wire fraud among others, did not occur until after the FBI started talking to folks: Not True. These crimes occurred before.

 

[Dashinka 24,752]

16 hours ago, refugee said:

 You are getting sick of the narrative?  The feeble attempt to gaslight folks who want an honest assessment of our vulnerabilities with the label TDS is tiresome.  Americans have been polled on this, they just want a fair investigation. Smollett  has nothing to do with this case, why bring it up?  

 

I think there is a TDS syndrome, it is occurring in those who think it is impossible that the Trump campaign was associated with, witting or unwittingly, the attempt of a foreign dictator to disrupt our election and public opinion process. We are told that this is a "deep state conspiracy" where the "global elites" are attempting to subvert the will of the people.  The suggestion that Putin is attempting to disrupt Democracy in the west is dismissed as fantasy.  What a crock.

 

  No one told Roger Stone to tamper with witnesses, no one instructed him to coordinate election activities with foreign powers and lie about it to congress and the FBI .  Now we can add attempting to intimidate a federal judge to the list.  Stone is entitled to a vigorous defense, but at the very least he is guilty of poor impulse control.

 

 

 

Sure, but of course those same folks completely ignore our internal vulnerabilities of career bureaucrats having way too much political power.  Those are the same folks that ignore a sitting secretary of state mishandling classified documents that would send lesser folks to federal prison, who ignore a sitting UN Ambassador's name on almost 300 unmasking applications who all bust said someone else was forging her signature, they ignore a chance tarmac meeting between a sitting AG and spouse of a major candidate just days before the DOJ is set to release its findings.  Yes, there are outside actors that need to be kept in check, but the internal actors are much more troubling because they get passes for purely political reasons.

 

As to the polls, that is convenient considering it was the media that was complicit in creating the narrative that McCabe all but said was started because they simply did not like Trump.  That is understandable, as Trump was not one of them, he didn't go to the correct school, and he isn't or wasn't part of the Washington insider elite club.

 

Regardless, enjoy your narrative. 

  

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

So i wonder if we ever gonna git our reddit link or that was made up also

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

54 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

So i wonder if we ever gonna git our reddit link or that was made up also

That would be nice, but I really want the other answer even more.  Both have conveniently ignored.

 

17 hours ago, ALFKAD said:

Was it a big deal when Hillary lied about the email scandal?

 

18 hours ago, ALFKAD said:

Are you trying to take over for NB2?

 

That would be MHBA.

 

Ironic, this forum being talked about on Reddit.  Share the link?  I wanna see what they are saying about usn’s.