Five-in-six Americans support making English the official language of the United States

[Mirorgate 0]

Yeah, 1 guy. Big achievement. And they didn't even let him finish his term.

In a Hispanic America, WASPS would never win ever again. That would be sweet and scary at the same time. Sweet, because I am full of class envy. Scary, because I am full of fear based on ridiculous MS13 stereotypes.

white guys got no class.. what you got the envy for? as to the MS13 types... thank the bebe jesus the majority of hispanics are not that stupid/ignorant.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Yeah, 1 guy. Big achievement. And they didn't even let him finish his term.

In a Hispanic America, WASPS would never win ever again. That would be sweet and scary at the same time. Sweet, because I am full of class envy. Scary, because I am full of fear based on ridiculous MS13 stereotypes.

white guys got no class.. what you got the envy for?

They got all the money, ese.

[Mirorgate 0]

Yeah, 1 guy. Big achievement. And they didn't even let him finish his term.

In a Hispanic America, WASPS would never win ever again. That would be sweet and scary at the same time. Sweet, because I am full of class envy. Scary, because I am full of fear based on ridiculous MS13 stereotypes.

white guys got no class.. what you got the envy for?

They got all the money, ese.

of course... .how else they gonna buy that all whitey world in the next galaxy over and populate it without the $$ for the rockets/research n all??

[JoeMama 0]

Will it be possible to swim to that next galaxy?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Uninvited is descriptive. If the shoe fits...

Historically, when has that ever made a difference with human migration?

Historically, when did nationstates begin to control immigration?

It kind of mattered ever since.

I'm assuming then you know the history between Mexico and the U.S. over the last century.

So, you're saying that the history between Mexico and the US makes the US/Mexico border and the US immigration law somehow less valid than other countries and their borders and immigration laws and regulations?

I'm saying the recent swell of hysteria, outrage, xenophobia over Mexican immigrants who are here illegally is being triggered by other factors than just their presence here - you only have to go back say 50 years or less to see that.

The percentage of illegals back then wasn't as close to 10% of the total population then as it is now. Neither were local health facilites literally crushed under the burden of treating scores of illegal immigrants at taxpayers expense. Nor were there hundreds of thousands of illegals marching in the streets of Americas cities demanding some ficticous "rights" to residency and citizenship either. You can push your host only that much before your host starts pushing back.

And there are reasons for the influx. Address those issues and the number will dramatically go down...at least that's what history suggests.

I always thought you were against the US invading another sovereign nation to "fix" the corruption and other issues at hand. Cafta/Nafta.... they voted for and signed the agreement, and yes, the people signing it did understand all that was entailed.

Who said anything about invading Mexico? The farmers of Mexico were hardly represented during the formation and signing of those treaties...but that's a different thread. Regardless of whether all positions in power signed those treaties or not - we are seeing the cause and effect. It just makes more sense to me that if you want to truly fix a problem, you've got to look at the source of it and then find reasonable solutions. Deporting 11 million + , spending billions of dollars on a fence, and whatever other 'round 'em up' ideas being thrown around aren't even in the ballpark of rationality.

[homesick_american 1]

Who said anything about invading Mexico? The farmers of Mexico were hardly represented during the formation and signing of those treaties...but that's a different thread. Regardless of whether all positions in power signed those treaties or not - we are seeing the cause and effect. It just makes more sense to me that if you want to truly fix a problem, you've got to look at the source of it and then find reasonable solutions. Deporting 11 million + , spending billions of dollars on a fence, and whatever other 'round 'em up' ideas being thrown around aren't even in the ballpark of rationality.

Oh god, save the bleeding heart crapola PLEASE. Mexico is Mexico's problem.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Who said anything about invading Mexico? The farmers of Mexico were hardly represented during the formation and signing of those treaties...but that's a different thread. Regardless of whether all positions in power signed those treaties or not - we are seeing the cause and effect. It just makes more sense to me that if you want to truly fix a problem, you've got to look at the source of it and then find reasonable solutions. Deporting 11 million + , spending billions of dollars on a fence, and whatever other 'round 'em up' ideas being thrown around aren't even in the ballpark of rationality.

Oh god, save the bleeding heart crapola PLEASE. Mexico is Mexico's problem.

Are you an isolationist?

[JoeMama 0]

Who said anything about invading Mexico? The farmers of Mexico were hardly represented during the formation and signing of those treaties...but that's a different thread. Regardless of whether all positions in power signed those treaties or not - we are seeing the cause and effect. It just makes more sense to me that if you want to truly fix a problem, you've got to look at the source of it and then find reasonable solutions. Deporting 11 million + , spending billions of dollars on a fence, and whatever other 'round 'em up' ideas being thrown around aren't even in the ballpark of rationality.

The problem and solution lie within both the US and Mexican governments. The Mexican government elite are deeply immersed in corruption. They have it VERY VERY GOOD! Mexico is not a poor country. The government keeps their citizens poor. Obviously, the government officials are not held accountable. This is why illegals from Mexico are going through the border like a hot knife through butter. The border fence, I believe, is a joke and it's not going to stop the influx. The US government are no saints either. Just imagine if the US government didn't over-tax businesses, stick them with some very tough labor law requirements, worker's compensation, insurance, etc., businesses wouldn't have to rely on cheaper labor of illegals in the US or moving jobs outside our borders.

I would be open to Mexico becoming part of the US. The southern border of Mexico is sure a hell of a lot smaller than our southern border to guard!

Just for Pedroh: I would even learn Spanish if that was to happen and I wanted to live further south of the current border. It is for the logical reason that no one could expect a whole country to change overnight to another language.

[homesick_american 1]

Are you an isolationist?

Are you a flame-baiter?

Define 'isolationist'. I'm certain that your definition is wildly different from mine.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Who said anything about invading Mexico? The farmers of Mexico were hardly represented during the formation and signing of those treaties...but that's a different thread. Regardless of whether all positions in power signed those treaties or not - we are seeing the cause and effect. It just makes more sense to me that if you want to truly fix a problem, you've got to look at the source of it and then find reasonable solutions. Deporting 11 million + , spending billions of dollars on a fence, and whatever other 'round 'em up' ideas being thrown around aren't even in the ballpark of rationality.

The problem and solution lie within both the US and Mexican governments. The Mexican government elite are deeply immersed in corruption. They have it VERY VERY GOOD! Mexico is not a poor country. The government keeps their citizens poor. Obviously, the government officials are not held accountable. This is why illegals from Mexico are going through the border like a hot knife through butter. The border fence, I believe, is a joke and it's not going to stop the influx. The US government are no saints either. Just imagine if the US government didn't over-tax businesses, stick them with some very tough labor law requirements, worker's compensation, insurance, etc., businesses wouldn't have to rely on cheaper labor of illegals in the US or moving jobs outside our borders.

I would be open to Mexico becoming part of the US. The southern border of Mexico is sure a hell of a lot smaller than our southern border to guard!

Just for Pedroh: I would even learn Spanish if that was to happen and I wanted to live further south of the current border. It is for the logical reason that no one could expect a whole country to change overnight to another language.

Yes...the Mexican government shoulders a lot of the blame and responsibility, no doubt. But that corruption is at the hands of multi-national corporations who have enough power and influence, particularly in countries such a Mexico to make policies for their benefit. Fairness for all is not pie in the sky - it's what ultimately will remedy most of the world's problems including mass immigrations of people from one region to another.

Edited May 25, 2007 by Steven_and_Jinky

[homesick_american 1]

Yes...there Mexican government shoulders a lot of the blame and responsibility, no doubt. But that corruption is at the hands of multi-national corporations who have enough power and influence, particularly in countries such a Mexico to make policies for their benefit. Fairness for all is not pie in the sky - it's what ultimately will remedy most of the world's problems.

You're starting to sound eerily like:

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce.

All social rules and all relations between individuals are eroded by a cash economy, avarice drags Pluto himself out of the bowels of the earth.

Capitalist production, therefore, develops technology, and the combining together of various processes into a social whole, only by sapping the original sources of all wealth - the soil and the labourer.

For the bureaucrat, the world is a mere object to be manipulated by him.

All of the above quotes are attributed to Karl Marx, whose Communist Manifesto was the blueprint for the most spectacular failed states in modern history.

[Otto 83]

Who said anything about invading Mexico? The farmers of Mexico were hardly represented during the formation and signing of those treaties...but that's a different thread. Regardless of whether all positions in power signed those treaties or not - we are seeing the cause and effect. It just makes more sense to me that if you want to truly fix a problem, you've got to look at the source of it and then find reasonable solutions. Deporting 11 million + , spending billions of dollars on a fence, and whatever other 'round 'em up' ideas being thrown around aren't even in the ballpark of rationality.

The problem and solution lie within both the US and Mexican governments. The Mexican government elite are deeply immersed in corruption. They have it VERY VERY GOOD! Mexico is not a poor country. The government keeps their citizens poor. Obviously, the government officials are not held accountable. This is why illegals from Mexico are going through the border like a hot knife through butter. The border fence, I believe, is a joke and it's not going to stop the influx. The US government are no saints either. Just imagine if the US government didn't over-tax businesses, stick them with some very tough labor law requirements, worker's compensation, insurance, etc., businesses wouldn't have to rely on cheaper labor of illegals in the US or moving jobs outside our borders.

I would be open to Mexico becoming part of the US. The southern border of Mexico is sure a hell of a lot smaller than our southern border to guard!

Just for Pedroh: I would even learn Spanish if that was to happen and I wanted to live further south of the current border. It is for the logical reason that no one could expect a whole country to change overnight to another language.

Yes...the Mexican government shoulders a lot of the blame and responsibility, no doubt. But that corruption is at the hands of multi-national corporations who have enough power and influence, particularly in countries such a Mexico to make policies for their benefit. Fairness for all is not pie in the sky - it's what ultimately will remedy most of the world's problems including mass immigrations of people from one region to another.

[homesick_american 1]

Yes...the Mexican government shoulders a lot of the blame and responsibility, no doubt. But that corruption is at the hands of multi-national corporations who have enough power and influence, particularly in countries such a Mexico to make policies for their benefit. Fairness for all is not pie in the sky - it's what ultimately will remedy most of the world's problems including mass immigrations of people from one region to another.

Well put! :thumbs:

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Yes...there Mexican government shoulders a lot of the blame and responsibility, no doubt. But that corruption is at the hands of multi-national corporations who have enough power and influence, particularly in countries such a Mexico to make policies for their benefit. Fairness for all is not pie in the sky - it's what ultimately will remedy most of the world's problems.

You're starting to sound eerily like:

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce.

All social rules and all relations between individuals are eroded by a cash economy, avarice drags Pluto himself out of the bowels of the earth.

Capitalist production, therefore, develops technology, and the combining together of various processes into a social whole, only by sapping the original sources of all wealth - the soil and the labourer.

For the bureaucrat, the world is a mere object to be manipulated by him.

All of the above quotes are attributed to Karl Marx, whose Communist Manifesto was the blueprint for the most spectacular failed states in modern history.

You guessed it...I'm really Karl Marx and my plot is to empower more states to become communists and ultimately fail.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Uninvited is descriptive. If the shoe fits...

Historically, when has that ever made a difference with human migration?

Historically, when did nationstates begin to control immigration?

It kind of mattered ever since.

I'm assuming then you know the history between Mexico and the U.S. over the last century.

So, you're saying that the history between Mexico and the US makes the US/Mexico border and the US immigration law somehow less valid than other countries and their borders and immigration laws and regulations?

I'm saying the recent swell of hysteria, outrage, xenophobia over Mexican immigrants who are here illegally is being triggered by other factors than just their presence here - you only have to go back say 50 years or less to see that.

The percentage of illegals back then wasn't as close to 10% of the total population then as it is now. Neither were local health facilites literally crushed under the burden of treating scores of illegal immigrants at taxpayers expense. Nor were there hundreds of thousands of illegals marching in the streets of Americas cities demanding some ficticous "rights" to residency and citizenship either. You can push your host only that much before your host starts pushing back.

And there are reasons for the influx. Address those issues and the number will dramatically go down...at least that's what history suggests.

Yes, the ease of making a buck around here whether legally employable or not. And periodic amnesties for dessert. Those are the central issues that need to be addressed. Both need to be put away with once and for all. Which is what I've been saying all along. You're finally seeing the light.