Questioning the government.

[AM268 23]

Is it okay to be here and question somenof the government's choices and decisions? Or should i just shut my mouth and be a good immigrant? 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

16 minutes ago, AM268 said:

Is it okay to be here and question somenof the government's choices and decisions? Or should i just shut my mouth and be a good immigrant? 

Of course we have freedom of speech here and you can say what you want. But the question you need to ask yourself is that if you do not like the government or the way things are done here in the USA overall then why are you here?

[USS_Voyager 1,972]

25 minutes ago, AM268 said:

Is it okay to be here and question somenof the government's choices and decisions? Or should i just shut my mouth and be a good immigrant? 

Yes, you can always question the government's decisions. In fact, in the US, it is encourage that citizens and even non-citizens to voice their opinion. You can even take actions, organize, join groups, whatever you do to make your voices heard.

[AM268 23]

6 hours ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

Of course we have freedom of speech here and you can say what you want. But the question you need to ask yourself is that if you do not like the government or the way things are done here in the USA overall then why are you here?

I came here for my wife and I do not have major grievances. Just a few things. Nothing that i would protest nor organize a group nor anything like that. Sometimes i feel like if i make a comment on a post or so I have to be worried that people will say oh well you dontndeserve to be here. Namely people who can actually stop me from being here. I.e. the authorities. 

[millefleur 5,046]

1 hour ago, AM268 said:

I came here for my wife and I do not have major grievances. Just a few things. Nothing that i would protest nor organize a group nor anything like that. Sometimes i feel like if i make a comment on a post or so I have to be worried that people will say oh well you dontndeserve to be here. Namely people who can actually stop me from being here. I.e. the authorities. 

The first amendment free speech rights here are some of the strongest in the world. You have the right to say what you feel and question the government, and people can respond to you by saying stuff like "you don't deserve to be here" because that is their right. The authorities do not have the right to stop you merely because of something you said unless it falls under the few exceptions like yelling "fire" in a crowded theater where there is none or incites violence. But the double edged sword of free speech means that while you are totally within rights to complain about and criticize the US government (I do all the time!) other people can counter-argue that and they can even say critical things back to you if they disagree.

 

If you're concerned about what the exceptions to protected free speech are, you can have a look here:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

 

If for some reason, there was a situation where something you said ended up getting the authorities involved or someone tried to frame you/made false claims about what you said, seek legal aid immediately.

Edited February 2, 2019 by millefleur

[junkmart 320]

On 2/1/2019 at 9:45 AM, Cyberfx1024 said:

Of course we have freedom of speech here and you can say what you want. But the question you need to ask yourself is that if you do not like the government or the way things are done here in the USA overall then why are you here?

Maybe they are here to eventually make a change. That's the thing about the USA, we can vote to change the things we do not like. We don't have to accept things as they are.

[junkmart 320]

On 2/1/2019 at 4:45 PM, AM268 said:

I came here for my wife and I do not have major grievances. Just a few things. Nothing that i would protest nor organize a group nor anything like that. Sometimes i feel like if i make a comment on a post or so I have to be worried that people will say oh well you dontndeserve to be here. Namely people who can actually stop me from being here. I.e. the authorities. 

You've gotten some good answers. Unfortunately, the response questioning why you would want to be here if you disagree was not one of them.

 

Stay woke, question everything you don't agree with. Be suspicious of people who tell you to accept things or leave.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

27 minutes ago, junkmart said:

Maybe they are here to eventually make a change. That's the thing about the USA, we can vote to change the things we do not like. We don't have to accept things as they are.

 

24 minutes ago, junkmart said:

You've gotten some good answers. Unfortunately, the response questioning why you would want to be here if you disagree was not one of them.

Stay woke, question everything you don't agree with. Be suspicious of people who tell you to accept things or leave.

It is a perfectly reasonable answer to say to the OP. Some people have in the past came here to this country that accepted them with open arms only for them to turn around and try to change it. Sorry if you do not like it so much then feel free to go home. 

 

I have no issue with people airing grievances with local or state elections because those affect more people than almost anything done federally does. The 1st amendment is here in the USA for a reason and that is to entitle free speech to everyone and anyone wither you like it or not. But staying woke is a crock of bull if I have ever heard of it. You are just being fed a line of bs by our Leftist overlords. 

 

[junkmart 320]

4 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

 

It is a perfectly reasonable answer to say to the OP. Some people have in the past came here to this country that accepted them with open arms only for them to turn around and try to change it. Sorry if you do not like it so much then feel free to go home. 

 

I have no issue with people airing grievances with local or state elections because those affect more people than almost anything done federally does. The 1st amendment is here in the USA for a reason and that is to entitle free speech to everyone and anyone wither you like it or not. But staying woke is a crock of bull if I have ever heard of it. You are just being fed a line of bs by our Leftist overlords. 

 

I'm the USC petitioner, so I am home. I encourage all immigrants to become citizens so they can vote to change the things they do not like. We don't have to just accept things as they are in the USA.

 

You have a right so say almost anything you want. So do I. So does everyone else.

Edited February 5, 2019 by junkmart

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

Just now, junkmart said:

I'm the USC petitioner, so I am home. I encourage all immigrants to become citizens so they can vote to change the things they do not like. We don't have to just accept things as they are in the USA.

Ok, I'll bite. What changes do you want to see? 

[junkmart 320]

2 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

Ok, I'll bite. What changes do you want to see? 

Plenty, but I have no desire to get into that with you, just for the sake of arguing. I've said what I wanted to say. I'll just vote.

[Brian & Hue 22]

Ok, I'll put my 2 cents in, even though you didn't ask.  The U.S. is a great place, don't get me wrong, but it's not perfect.  Generally the things that most sane people want to see are:

 

1.  Universal Healthcare.  I've traveled all over the world, and we are lacking.  

2.  Reformed immigration process.  It's a ridiculously long and tiresome process.  

3.  Restricted access to firearms that easily permit mass shootings.

4.  A tax system that prevents a handful of people from controlling the vast majority of wealth, while others struggle and starve.

5.  A voting system that allows each person to have an equal voice, not geographical regions.  

 

So, AM268 say whatever you feel like, but don't incite violence, or threaten people.   Get your green card, and become a citizen, then you will have the opportunity to vote and change laws and leaders like every other citizen. 

 

The good news is that these are hot topics right now and will likely have some change within the next decade.  

[JuniorMints 66]

On 2/5/2019 at 7:13 AM, Cyberfx1024 said:

 

It is a perfectly reasonable answer to say to the OP. Some people have in the past came here to this country that accepted them with open arms only for them to turn around and try to change it. Sorry if you do not like it so much then feel free to go home. 

 

I have no issue with people airing grievances with local or state elections because those affect more people than almost anything done federally does. The 1st amendment is here in the USA for a reason and that is to entitle free speech to everyone and anyone wither you like it or not. But staying woke is a crock of bull if I have ever heard of it. You are just being fed a line of bs by our Leftist overlords. 

 

 

 

Your statement doesn't even make any sense.

 

The whole point of this county is that it's a democracy and we don't have to like certain things the way they are, we have the freedom to express our opinions and VOTE to make changes.  This country is always changing due to people exercising their right to vote and changes get made, good or bad. 

 

So according to you, all US citizens, even YOU (if you are), shouldn't vote for anything to change, because you like everything the way it is year after year.  If YOU vote to change something, that means you don't like something so much, and according to your statement, you should feel free to go home (if you're not the USC), or live in another country ,(if you are the USC). 

 

And your statement "if you do not like it so much then feel free to go home" is very intolerant and sounds typical of someone who would say something like "You are just being fed a line of bs by our Leftist overlords."   America IS an immigrant's new home. 

 

 

 

Yes, I'm a (2nd generation) born USC and a 10 year veteran of the United States Air Force with many immigrants in my family. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mike E 11,739]

On 2/1/2019 at 7:55 AM, USS_Voyager said:

Yes, you can always question the government's decisions. In fact, in the US, it is encourage that citizens and even non-citizens to voice their opinion. You can even take actions, organize, join groups, whatever you do to make your voices heard.

And when you naturalize you are required to list every group you’ve joined since getting a green card. and the dates.  

[NikLR 13,227]

I complain all the time about the things mentioned in @Brian & Hue post.  I just don't do it on social media. 

The US government can't just kick you out because they don't like your voiced opinion.  But they can for joining certain militant or oppositional groups, for protesting in an illegal way, or doing something that would be considered an act of terrorism.  Be intelligent. Pay attention.