False claims made by the media about immigration

[GaryC 7]

I don't care whether those myths are true or not. Illegals are flouting US immigration law and the countries sending them en masse are trying to tell us we can't be a sovereign nation and enforce our own f*cking borders.

Screw that. The day we let Mexico dictate our immigration policy is the day I take the plunge and vote Republican.[/b Yeah, you heard me. This sh!t needs to stop. No matter what you say, they ARE depressing wages and they DO cost taxpayers billions. You can contort the statistics any way you like, but what states are the ones with the biggest budget problems? Oh yeah, the ones with big illegal populations like California and Texas.

And if you think they don't depress wages, just look what they've done to meatpacking, and look how they're victimized so you can save a couple of cents per pound on meat.

Personally I'm not willing to allow this sort of exploitation just for the sake of MONEY, and I think illegal enablers are practically advocating slave labor. I think it's incredibly selfish.

Wow! You are pissed! But I know how you feel. I would even vote dem if there were a candidate that I thought would solve this thing in an intelligent manner.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

For anyone interested...Here's a good read.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2608/

Keeping America Empty

How one small-town conservationist launched today’s anti-immigration movement

By Christopher Hayes

here's an excerpt... (John Tanton - the man who founded FAIR and is behind all it's splinter groups)

In 1969, Tanton started and chaired the population committee of his local Sierra Club chapter, and when Ehrlich and like-minded environmentalists founded the advocacy group Zero Population Growth (ZPG), he became one of its most active members, rising to its presidency in 1975. By then, the birthrate for Americans had declined below the replacement rate, but the American population was projected to keep growing. Tanton settled on the culprit: immigration.

The number of immigrants was still small by today’s standards but had started to creep upwards, thanks in part to a 1965 immigration bill that instituted family reunification policies and did away with 40 years of quotas that heavily favored northern Europeans. Since immigrants had higher birthrates, reducing their numbers would allow the United States to achieve the zero population growth that had seemed a pipe dream only a few years earlier.

Tanton pushed for the Sierra Club to take a strong stand to reduce immigration, but the organization balked. He didn’t have much more success with his fellow travelers at ZPG. Tanton chalks it up to fear of tackling a taboo subject, but it seems just as likely that they couldn’t see why it mattered on which side of the Rio Grande someone was born. Today, ZPG, since renamed Population Connection, takes what its current president, John Seager, calls a “global approach,” supporting female literacy, access to birth control and family-planning services in the developing world. If Tanton’s concern is the health of the planet, why doesn’t he subscribe to this view? He explains that reducing immigration will force countries like Mexico to confront their own population growth rates. “Each country,” he says, “ought to try to match its population to its resource base.”

[GaryC 7]

For anyone interested...Here's a good read.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2608/

Keeping America Empty

How one small-town conservationist launched today’s anti-immigration movement

By Christopher Hayes

here's an excerpt... (John Tanton - the man who founded FAIR and is behind all it's splinter groups)

In 1969, Tanton started and chaired the population committee of his local Sierra Club chapter, and when Ehrlich and like-minded environmentalists founded the advocacy group Zero Population Growth (ZPG), he became one of its most active members, rising to its presidency in 1975. By then, the birthrate for Americans had declined below the replacement rate, but the American population was projected to keep growing. Tanton settled on the culprit: immigration.

The number of immigrants was still small by today’s standards but had started to creep upwards, thanks in part to a 1965 immigration bill that instituted family reunification policies and did away with 40 years of quotas that heavily favored northern Europeans. Since immigrants had higher birthrates, reducing their numbers would allow the United States to achieve the zero population growth that had seemed a pipe dream only a few years earlier.

Tanton pushed for the Sierra Club to take a strong stand to reduce immigration, but the organization balked. He didn’t have much more success with his fellow travelers at ZPG. Tanton chalks it up to fear of tackling a taboo subject, but it seems just as likely that they couldn’t see why it mattered on which side of the Rio Grande someone was born. Today, ZPG, since renamed Population Connection, takes what its current president, John Seager, calls a “global approach,” supporting female literacy, access to birth control and family-planning services in the developing world. If Tanton’s concern is the health of the planet, why doesn’t he subscribe to this view? He explains that reducing immigration will force countries like Mexico to confront their own population growth rates. “Each country,” he says, “ought to try to match its population to its resource base.”

What is your bug about Tanton? Who cares if there is someone that is using his legal right to fight illegals? Let him form these groups. Let him have his opinion. The fact remains that there are some in this country that want to give a pass to those breaking our immigration laws. That is wrong and will always be wrong.

[homesick_american 1]

Wow! You are pissed! But I know how you feel. I would even vote dem if there were a candidate that I thought would solve this thing in an intelligent manner.

We don't agree on much, but we agree on this.

[Otto 83]

Many Americans are unhappy with the immigration status quo and politicians need to stop pandering to law-breakers.

Set that aside for a moment and follow the paper trail. This is important. I don't doubt the sentiments Americans have towards immigration are their own, but we need to think critically about the entire issue of immigration and how such views or attitudes can be shaped, particularly when such claims are being reported by the media. This affects all of us here who have a foreign spouse or are involved in the immigration process.

Get it through your thick head, It is NOT ABOUT IMMIGRATION,

IT IS ABOUT ILLEGAL CRIMINAL ALIENS, VIOLATING FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS AND TAKING AWAY FROM LEGAL CITIZENS/ RESIDENTS

DO NOT COMBINE THE TWO Legal Immigrant & ILLEGAL FEDERAL CRIMINAL.

Hey buddy, you're entitled to your opinion. Just don't confuse your opinion with fact.

Here's a fact that is being overlooked/ignored.

Most of these illegal aliens (which is what they used to be referred to before the PC bleeding hearts got a hold of it) have no intentions of immigrating to the US - most have never tried to legally immigrate and never will.

Want to test that theory? - attach a clause to any Amnesty that says "In order to qualify, you must openly, willingly, and in writing revoke your current nationality. All indentification will be turned in - and you will be issued a shiny new US Passport and Social Security Card..." and see what happens...

To lump 'them' into those who truly are immigrating is a mistake.

[JoeMama 0]

Here's a fact that is being overlooked/ignored.

Most of these illegal aliens (which is what they used to be referred to before the PC bleeding hearts got a hold of it) have no intentions of immigrating to the US - most have never tried to legally immigrate and never will.

Want to test that theory? - attach a clause to any Amnesty that says "In order to qualify, you must openly, willingly, and in writing revoke your current nationality. All indentification will be turned in - and you will be issued a shiny new US Passport and Social Security Card..." and see what happens...

To lump 'them' into those who truly are immigrating is a mistake.

Brilliant K&O! Knowing what the wages are and how much more expensive it is to live in the US, those wages won't do a damn bit of good! Good thinking! I'd love to see that clause be added!

[GaryC 7]

Here's a fact that is being overlooked/ignored.

Most of these illegal aliens (which is what they used to be referred to before the PC bleeding hearts got a hold of it) have no intentions of immigrating to the US - most have never tried to legally immigrate and never will.

Want to test that theory? - attach a clause to any Amnesty that says "In order to qualify, you must openly, willingly, and in writing revoke your current nationality. All indentification will be turned in - and you will be issued a shiny new US Passport and Social Security Card..." and see what happens...

To lump 'them' into those who truly are immigrating is a mistake.

You got that right! In the past people came here because they wanted to become Americans. Now these people are coming here only for work. We are not Mexico's employment office but that is what they are using us for. This isn't an immigration issue, it's an illegal alien issue.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

For anyone interested...Here's a good read.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2608/

Keeping America Empty

How one small-town conservationist launched today’s anti-immigration movement

By Christopher Hayes

here's an excerpt... (John Tanton - the man who founded FAIR and is behind all it's splinter groups)

In 1969, Tanton started and chaired the population committee of his local Sierra Club chapter, and when Ehrlich and like-minded environmentalists founded the advocacy group Zero Population Growth (ZPG), he became one of its most active members, rising to its presidency in 1975. By then, the birthrate for Americans had declined below the replacement rate, but the American population was projected to keep growing. Tanton settled on the culprit: immigration.

The number of immigrants was still small by today’s standards but had started to creep upwards, thanks in part to a 1965 immigration bill that instituted family reunification policies and did away with 40 years of quotas that heavily favored northern Europeans. Since immigrants had higher birthrates, reducing their numbers would allow the United States to achieve the zero population growth that had seemed a pipe dream only a few years earlier.

Tanton pushed for the Sierra Club to take a strong stand to reduce immigration, but the organization balked. He didn’t have much more success with his fellow travelers at ZPG. Tanton chalks it up to fear of tackling a taboo subject, but it seems just as likely that they couldn’t see why it mattered on which side of the Rio Grande someone was born. Today, ZPG, since renamed Population Connection, takes what its current president, John Seager, calls a “global approach,” supporting female literacy, access to birth control and family-planning services in the developing world. If Tanton’s concern is the health of the planet, why doesn’t he subscribe to this view? He explains that reducing immigration will force countries like Mexico to confront their own population growth rates. “Each country,” he says, “ought to try to match its population to its resource base.”

What is your bug about Tanton? Who cares if there is someone that is using his legal right to fight illegals? Let him form these groups. Let him have his opinion. The fact remains that there are some in this country that want to give a pass to those breaking our immigration laws. That is wrong and will always be wrong.

My bug is that he has intentionality created various politically active groups with the same exact agenda, using the media to relay that agenda with perceived validity because it appears like it's several different groups. I'm all for political activism and as an American, he's entitled to taking his stand on immigration to politics - as long as what is being claimed as fact is fact and not propaganda.

Tanton founded FAIR on Jan. 2, 1979, with a mission to end illegal immigration and reduce legal immigration. The group has focused its efforts against illegal immigration, but it's larger political aim is to reduce immigration.

(Tanton)...courted mainstream conservative donors, like the Scaife family, as well as the fringe Pioneer Fund, whose current president argues that blacks are genetically less intelligent than whites. He had the Social Contract Press translate, publish and promote The Camp of the Saints, a starkly racist apocalyptic novel about a wave of Indian immigrants overrunning France. In 1996, Tanton coauthored The Immigration Invasion with Wayne Lutton, who sits on the advisory board of a publication put out by the white nationalist Council of Conservative Citizens. Editor of the Social Contract Press since 1998, Lutton now occupies an office just a few feet from Tanton’s.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/contin..._america_empty/

At the very least, Gary, I hope you'll see now that xenophobia and racism are elements that are effecting the immigration debate which is effecting public policy.

[homesick_american 1]

At the very least, Gary, I hope you'll see now that xenophobia and racism are elements that are effecting the immigration debate which is effecting public policy.

Your poor little heart is just going to bleed to death.

Why in sam hell are you so sympathetic to these fence-jumping job-stealing lawbreakers?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Many Americans are unhappy with the immigration status quo and politicians need to stop pandering to law-breakers.

Set that aside for a moment and follow the paper trail. This is important. I don't doubt the sentiments Americans have towards immigration are their own, but we need to think critically about the entire issue of immigration and how such views or attitudes can be shaped, particularly when such claims are being reported by the media. This affects all of us here who have a foreign spouse or are involved in the immigration process.

Get it through your thick head, It is NOT ABOUT IMMIGRATION,

IT IS ABOUT ILLEGAL CRIMINAL ALIENS, VIOLATING FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS AND TAKING AWAY FROM LEGAL CITIZENS/ RESIDENTS

DO NOT COMBINE THE TWO Legal Immigrant & ILLEGAL FEDERAL CRIMINAL.

Hey buddy, you're entitled to your opinion. Just don't confuse your opinion with fact.

Here's a fact that is being overlooked/ignored.

Most of these illegal aliens (which is what they used to be referred to before the PC bleeding hearts got a hold of it) have no intentions of immigrating to the US - most have never tried to legally immigrate and never will.

Want to test that theory? - attach a clause to any Amnesty that says "In order to qualify, you must openly, willingly, and in writing revoke your current nationality. All indentification will be turned in - and you will be issued a shiny new US Passport and Social Security Card..." and see what happens...

To lump 'them' into those who truly are immigrating is a mistake.

That's because it's an economic issue, not a nationalist issue. Why aren't we seeing an influx of our northern neighbors crossing into this country illegally?

[GaryC 7]

That's because it's an economic issue, not a nationalist issue. Why aren't we seeing an influx of our northern neighbors crossing into this country illegally?

Because Canada has it's sh!t together and isn't exporting it's problems to us. That is what Mexico is doing to us right now. They have enough resorces to be economicly independant but instead they choose to be corrupt. This isn't our problem its Mexico's problem but we seem to be paying the price for it.

Oh, and about Tanton. I don't see you railing about George Soros (sp?). He does the same thing with lib issues.

[keltic 1]

I would even vote dem if there were a candidate that I thought would solve this thing in an intelligent manner.

whoa.................

im speechless

[one...two...tree 2,762]

At the very least, Gary, I hope you'll see now that xenophobia and racism are elements that are effecting the immigration debate which is effecting public policy.

Your poor little heart is just going to bleed to death.

Why in sam hell are you so sympathetic to these fence-jumping job-stealing lawbreakers?

...and the emotionally charged rhetoric never ends.

I have no personal vendetta against illegal immigrants nor do I feel any personal suffering from them being here nor do attach any emotional feelings about them. Labelling illegal aliens as criminals, lawbreakers, is the rhetoric repeated over and over again, ad nauseam - and preached like it's the gospel truth. It's an opinion. Not everyone sees it that way.

[homesick_american 1]

...and the emotionally charged rhetoric never ends.

I have no personal vendetta against illegal immigrants nor do I feel any personal suffering from them being here nor do attach any emotional feelings about them. Labelling illegal aliens as criminals, lawbreakers, is the rhetoric repeated over and over again, ad nauseam - and preached like it's the gospel truth. It's an opinion. Not everyone sees it that way.

It's not an opinion, it's a fact. If they are in the United States illegally, that MUST mean they've broken a law somewhere.

I'm really sick of this bleeding-heart BS and accusations of racism if we disagree. So far you don't appear to have changed anyone's mind. You think my opinions are 'rhetoric' and I think what you post is pro-illegal propaganda from people who want to continue to pay less for strawberries because they're cheap b*stards, and who have no respect for the sovereignty of the United States.

Two-way street, pal.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

...and the emotionally charged rhetoric never ends.

I have no personal vendetta against illegal immigrants nor do I feel any personal suffering from them being here nor do attach any emotional feelings about them. Labelling illegal aliens as criminals, lawbreakers, is the rhetoric repeated over and over again, ad nauseam - and preached like it's the gospel truth. It's an opinion. Not everyone sees it that way.

It's not an opinion, it's a fact. If they are in the United States illegally, that MUST mean they've broken a law somewhere.

I'm really sick of this bleeding-heart BS and accusations of racism if we disagree. So far you don't appear to have changed anyone's mind. You think my opinions are 'rhetoric' and I think what you post is pro-illegal propaganda from people who want to continue to pay less for strawberries because they're cheap b*stards, and who have no respect for the sovereignty of the United States.

Two-way street, pal.

relax...no one accused you of being racist, but I can see how more dramatic that makes you feel.

The view that if one breaks a law then they are a criminal or in a similar mindset is an opinion. You're thinking in absolutes which I find odd since you've claimed to be some sort of liberal?