Should the US join the EEC ?

[RaspberrySwirl 20]

saywhat,

The Atlantic is a longer swim than the Rio Grande. I don't think Mexicans would worry much about Bulgarians taking their job opportunities.

Yodrak

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Easy exchange of labour which could go where it is needed, the cheap jobs in the US would go to say Bulgarians which would remove the incentive for Mexicans to cross the border as there would be no cheap jobs at all for them.

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Can anyone see any down side ?

Yodders ! I didn't know you did frivolous forums ! It's like finding your schoolmaster in the pub playing darts !

The Bulgarians are part of the EEc now so they just walk in here in the UK without need for papers.. so if the US came into the EEC you could dilute your motel workers with some Bulgarians... The men have lovely big black curling moustaches - handsome bunch but fearsome looking... I haven't looked at the girls - I daredn't

oh of course having a gin is the work of the devil in the US - I stood behind a 90 year old man in wisconsin and they would not sell him a beer coz he didnt have a driving licence to prove he was over 21 - now there is me criticizing america again !! will you ever forgive me...actually I like the Yorkshire stereotype - it's true ... I worked bagging up coal in railway wagons with black men which is more than most 60 year old Americans can say... and I flew concorde regularly and was imprisoned in saudi arabia too for wanting to break my contract and go back to my wife who was seriously ill - - so I have had a look around the world and I ain't no hick - I can ee-bye-gum it with the best as I was brought up with Victorian labourers - but I spent years in the City of London and I can 'oh yaaa Rupert' it as well.

Saywhat ol' man,

I really enjoyed your humor yesterday.

But today, it's kinda different.

You are coming across as a Pompous ###

wandering around VJ forums

bringing up the "EU question'

which is nothing but (I almost used Bull but recalled that you hate

people who go scatological on you)

a canard.

As the Frenchies would say:

"vendre un canard à moitié "

Methinks, you are doing this

out of boredom perhaps, but

your arrogance is inescapable

as evidenced by the rodomontade

that you inflicted on us.

P.S. I made an extra effort to deploy pompuse ### words

to suit your pompous ### attitude.

warum avec le froggy meine liebschen ? I have never denied being arrogant - do you know that a personality profiler laid my graph on margaret thatcher's and it was identical !

Actually I am much sweeter than maggie but quite driven !

look I am 59 and arrogant - what can I do - be quiet you say ? could mohammed ali be quiet ? nope it's past the post.

even avec le grenouille sprache I cannot put the socken in my bouche- c'est triste uoi ?

was kann ich tun ? oui c'est vrai - dieses maenner wie motten um das licht sind

es tut mir leid - great sorrow - if I was alternatively preferenced sexually they would say be yourself - but because I am arrogant they say change yourself to be more accetable to us

they are arrogantist..

One American loves me so only a few hundred million to convert...

bis spaeter tooty fruit canard pie with feet on

I see we're recycling freaks now.

Y'all win teh interwebz.

JK. Carry on!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I see we're recycling freaks now.

Indeed... I'm wonder if its a twofer or just one for double the price...

[Nikita2Charles 32]

HECK NO!!

JUST Take a look at NAFTA, as a former member of IBEW we all could see our Jobs going overseas, The Industry talked about Investing Billions $$$$$$ to retrain the workforce, that's what the BS back then, how much money those companies have put to the Department of Labor, or other NGO to provide free training for those that lost their JOBS> ZIP< NADA< at least i donn't know where to find it? How much benefit has it been to the american workforce, most of the manufacturing Jobs went overseas to Mexico or to CANADA> so can anybody tell me Where's the GAIN?

Edited May 23, 2007 by Nikita2Charles

[Captain Oates 911]

As I read through the tons of responses on this thread, I'm beginning to think maybe there's a hint of senility happening here! Maybe it's just us sorting through it all and trying to understand what it was all about!

Would that be AGEism plus demeaning people with senility (a disability )

[Captain Oates 911]

why would anyone let the OP rile them up? this topic is not even in the realm of possibilities, so why bother arguing with him? he is just having fun at the expense of those who will join in

He rile me?? Almost pathetic...for a guy who has never been the Texas and claims to some kind of expert on rednecks is almost laughable. Just let him keep talking and making a bigger a$$ of himself as he basically knows Jack S**T about the US or the EEC or basic economics.

I wonder why your profile was so bare - something to hide ? a pencil neck perhaps ?

(hope this doesn't soon pencilneckist)

[Captain Oates 911]

I wish some of my detractors would put something on their profiles instead of hiding in the bushes like peeping toms.

Come on and put some details on your profile if there is nothing to be ashamed of ?

I am not ashamed of being 59 - I could have put 29 and hidden my photo and made myself out to be something I am not - a bit like some of you - (In your cases, a coherent poster)

- then we could see a bit of who some of these 'grunt grunt kick kill F***!!!' posters are - they try and come over as though they have a point worth considering but most of em are spotty students or failed assistant colleagues from wal-mart.

Hope that doesn't sound too failedassistantcolleaguesist

Let's see some more of what is hiding behind these well expressed, thought out and beautifully presented posts

I suspect they are the kind that needs to be in howling pack to reassure them that they are on the winning side.

Anyway, as someone had in their signature - 'Never argue with idiots, they will bring you down to their level and then beat you with their experience'. Being older than them, I should have more experience at being an idiot, but they seem to have gone on a series of intensive courses and passed me miles back. Or was it just a texas lobotomy done with a branding iron and two beans spoons? Is Texas a race ? If so, I apologise for that 'racial stereotype'

Is 'scouser' a race ? can we call scousers , 'scousers' any more, someone called me a 'tyke' - and I am - is that a racial stereotype ?

If so then I don't mind a bit - feel free!

I wish some people would stick to decent slurs and insults without playing the race card - I have more qualifications as an non-racist than any of my accusers I bet .

My accuser on the racism thing was a Brit by the way - the Americans would have more sense - the Americans know about the recent history of their South and have a better perspective on 'racism' than some Brit sell-out . That was a pro American comment (but balanced and therefore worth more), and I am capable of millions more

I think I will make a bigger, better contribution to the success and advancement of the US than he will.

How many racists are married to a representative of the race they are supposed to hate ? Doesn't make sense to me but it does to these guys... just like nazisim made sense to Hitler and WMD made sense to Bush and Blair. Would he compel my American wife to testify against me when I am accused of racism because I didn't compliment her new hair-do enough ?

hey ho I guess thats just the way of the world.

I have learned a lot from this post as to the nature of who is out there - even on vj which is supposed to be for lovers - and I am sure there are lots of intelligent and decent people who have stood on the sidelines and watched these neanderthals (and some simple folk who jump on any bandwagon where they can feel in the majority) , try to batter me with everything from racism to my age to senility jibes.

I hope the crowd who post all these 'F***!!! ' expletives are still learning when they are 59 (and a half)

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I wish some of my detractors would put something on their profiles instead of hiding in the bushes like peeping toms.

Come on and put some details on your profile if there is nothing to be ashamed of ?

I am not ashamed of being 59 - I could have put 29 and hidden my photo and made myself out to be something I am not - a bit like some of you - (In your cases, a coherent poster)

- then we could see a bit of who some of these 'grunt grunt kick kill F***!!!' posters are - they try and come over as though they have a point worth considering but most of em are spotty students or failed assistant colleagues from wal-mart.

Hope that doesn't sound too failedassistantcolleaguesist

Let's see some more of what is hiding behind these well expressed, thought out and beautifully presented posts

I suspect they are the kind that needs to be in howling pack to reassure them that they are on the winning side.

Anyway, as someone had in their signature - 'Never argue with idiots, they will bring you down to their level and then beat you with their experience'. Being older than them, I should have more experience at being an idiot, but they seem to have gone on a series of intensive courses and passed me miles back. Or was it just a texas lobotomy done with a branding iron and two beans spoons? Is Texas a race ? If so, I apologise for that 'racial stereotype'

Is 'scouser' a race ? can we call scousers , 'scousers' any more, someone called me a 'tyke' - and I am - is that a racial stereotype ?

If so then I don't mind a bit - feel free!

I wish some people would stick to decent slurs and insults without playing the race card - I have more qualifications as an non-racist than any of my accusers I bet .

My accuser on the racism thing was a Brit by the way - the Americans would have more sense - the Americans know about the recent history of their South and have a better perspective on 'racism' than some Brit sell-out . That was a pro American comment (but balanced and therefore worth more), and I am capable of millions more

I think I will make a bigger, better contribution to the success and advancement of the US than he will.

How many racists are married to a representative of the race they are supposed to hate ? Doesn't make sense to me but it does to these guys... just like nazisim made sense to Hitler and WMD made sense to Bush and Blair. Would he compel my American wife to testify against me when I am accused of racism because I didn't compliment her new hair-do enough ?

hey ho I guess thats just the way of the world.

I have learned a lot from this post as to the nature of who is out there - even on vj which is supposed to be for lovers - and I am sure there are lots of intelligent and decent people who have stood on the sidelines and watched these neanderthals (and some simple folk who jump on any bandwagon where they can feel in the majority) , try to batter me with everything from racism to my age to senility jibes.

I hope the crowd who post all these 'F***!!! ' expletives are still learning when they are 59 (and a half)

Alan - as I said the difference is that you've been using those broadbrush stereotypes to make sweeping value about American national identity. Weasel around however you want and feel free to continue to play the victim card about "free speech".

BTW - what exactly am I "selling out"? You never did explain that.

[Captain Oates 911]

Alan - as I said the difference is that you've been using those broadbrush stereotypes to make sweeping value about American national identity. Weasel around however you want and feel free to continue to play the victim card about "free speech".

BTW - what exactly am I "selling out"? You never did explain that.

I want you to take back that race thing which is totally untrue .. when i started an irreverant controversial and deliberately provocative topic I was quite happy about being called all kinds of fool and arrogant and idiot - no problem. The race thing is hurtful though and I wasn't prepared for that and you got through to me.

I enjoy being stereotyped as a tyke and as long as I don't disadvantage anyone or refuse them a room or hurt them in any way, then I see nothing wrong with poking and teasing each other with these stereotypes. 'Throw another shrimp on the barbie' might annoy all Australians but it's a stretch to call it racism.

The point of these forums is to swap information about people's new lives in the US and I think it is absolutely undeniable that Americans (here I go generalizing) are far more prickly about perceived critisisms than any other nationality or race that I can think of..

I am really glad I have explored this and brought out all the screaming resentments and it will be so valuable for my new life in America. I will absolutely refuse to discuss politics or religion or even 90 year olds showing driving licences to buy beer with anyone except a foreigner (non-US) or someone I know very, very well.

I hope other readers will read all these exchanges and learn and be very very careful in the US because there isn't the same freedom to poke fun at the country and they need to know that.

As Brits, you and I can rubbish the UK all day long and with foreigners too - and everyone can keep a good demeanour - except when they then go on to say their country is superior. You can't do that in the US and these forums have demonstrated that. I know all the UK's faults and I don't set it up over the US.What seems like a load of juvenile nastiness is actually very good instruction for would be immigrants. I have learned a valuable lesson and come up with a strategy to live by in the US which I know will work, and I think the readers will appreciate the insight these exchanges give

ps I say you are a sell out because you perspective is purely American, and with the immigrant experience you are having, you should help Brits to understand the problems of living in a foreign land and not just minimize them and beat the drum for your new country.

ps I am the 'victim' of an awful slur (racism) but I am not whining and asking for support - I am self supportive and can fight my own battles. The Americans will be glad to have me when they know me.

alan

[JoeMama 0]

I want you to take back that race thing which is totally untrue .. when i started an irreverant controversial and deliberately provocative topic I was quite happy about being called all kinds of fool and arrogant and idiot - no problem. The race thing is hurtful though and I wasn't prepared for that and you got through to me.

I enjoy being stereotyped as a tyke and as long as I don't disadvantage anyone or refuse them a room or hurt them in any way, then I see nothing wrong with poking and teasing each other with these stereotypes. 'Throw another shrimp on the barbie' might annoy all Australians but it's a stretch to call it racism.

The point of these forums is to swap information about people's new lives in the US and I think it is absolutely undeniable that Americans (here I go generalizing) are far more prickly about perceived critisisms than any other nationality or race that I can think of..

I am really glad I have explored this and brought out all the screaming resentments and it will be so valuable for my new life in America. I will absolutely refuse to discuss politics or religion or even 90 year olds showing driving licences to buy beer with anyone except a foreigner (non-US) or someone I know very, very well.

I hope other readers will read all these exchanges and learn and be very very careful in the US because there isn't the same freedom to poke fun at the country and they need to know that.

As Brits, you and I can rubbish the UK all day long and with foreigners too - and everyone can keep a good demeanour - except when they then go on to say their country is superior. You can't do that in the US and these forums have demonstrated that. I know all the UK's faults and I don't set it up over the US.What seems like a load of juvenile nastiness is actually very good instruction for would be immigrants. I have learned a valuable lesson and come up with a strategy to live by in the US which I know will work, and I think the readers will appreciate the insight these exchanges give

ps I say you are a sell out because you perspective is purely American, and with the immigrant experience you are having, you should help Brits to understand the problems of living in a foreign land and not just minimize them and beat the drum for your new country.

ps I am the 'victim' of an awful slur (racism) but I am not whining and asking for support - I am self supportive and can fight my own battles. The Americans will be glad to have me when they know me.

alan

You are certainly right about politics and religion. They'll certainly start an argument each and every time. The USA can be considered quite strange to newcomers. We are a very diverse country made up of multitudes of cultures and races from all over the world. I wish there was a little more sense of humor, as far as, the stereotypes you mentioned. I, being in the US all my life, do not understand the over-sensitivity to many things of our society. I certainly disagree the majority of "political correctness" that's been pushed upon American society over the last 20 years. Regardless, of what a person may say, someone is always offended and the protests usually follow. There's never a shortage of opinions.

[Krikit 1,164]

[/url]why would anyone let the OP rile them up? this topic is not even in the realm of possibilities, so why bother arguing with him? he is just having fun at the expense of those who will join in.

Hey alan. I didn't know your Mum was on here!

ps I say you are a sell out because you perspective is purely American, and with the immigrant experience you are having, you should help Brits to understand the problems of living in a foreign land and not just minimize them and beat the drum for your new country.

ps I am the 'victim' of an awful slur (racism) but I am not whining and asking for support - I am self supportive and can fight my own battles. The Americans will be glad to have me when they know me.

alan

A word to the wise. When you find yourself in a hole, you should stop digging.

[Captain Oates 911]

[/url]why would anyone let the OP rile them up? this topic is not even in the realm of possibilities, so why bother arguing with him? he is just having fun at the expense of those who will join in.

Hey alan. I didn't know your Mum was on here!

ps I say you are a sell out because you perspective is purely American, and with the immigrant experience you are having, you should help Brits to understand the problems of living in a foreign land and not just minimize them and beat the drum for your new country.

ps I am the 'victim' of an awful slur (racism) but I am not whining and asking for support - I am self supportive and can fight my own battles. The Americans will be glad to have me when they know me.

alan

A word to the wise. When you find yourself in a hole, you should stop digging.

I am not in a hole - but I wish you were

[Captain Oates 911]

[/url]why would anyone let the OP rile them up? this topic is not even in the realm of possibilities, so why bother arguing with him? he is just having fun at the expense of those who will join in.

Hey alan. I didn't know your Mum was on here!

ps I say you are a sell out because you perspective is purely American, and with the immigrant experience you are having, you should help Brits to understand the problems of living in a foreign land and not just minimize them and beat the drum for your new country.

ps I am the 'victim' of an awful slur (racism) but I am not whining and asking for support - I am self supportive and can fight my own battles. The Americans will be glad to have me when they know me.

alan

A word to the wise. When you find yourself in a hole, you should stop digging.

I am not in a hole - but I wish you were

ps whats your avatar - it looks like a broken wooden gate with a tampax wrapped round it...

or is the redneck purple heart ?

[Emancipation 2]

[/url]why would anyone let the OP rile them up? this topic is not even in the realm of possibilities, so why bother arguing with him? he is just having fun at the expense of those who will join in.

Hey alan. I didn't know your Mum was on here!

ps I say you are a sell out because you perspective is purely American, and with the immigrant experience you are having, you should help Brits to understand the problems of living in a foreign land and not just minimize them and beat the drum for your new country.

ps I am the 'victim' of an awful slur (racism) but I am not whining and asking for support - I am self supportive and can fight my own battles. The Americans will be glad to have me when they know me.

alan

A word to the wise. When you find yourself in a hole, you should stop digging.

I am not in a hole - but I wish you were

ps whats your avatar - it looks like a broken wooden gate with a tampax wrapped round it...

or is the redneck purple heart ?

It's an Inuksuk....

It's the flag of Nunavut - the newest CDN territory...

[Captain Oates 911]

[/url]why would anyone let the OP rile them up? this topic is not even in the realm of possibilities, so why bother arguing with him? he is just having fun at the expense of those who will join in.

Hey alan. I didn't know your Mum was on here!

ps I say you are a sell out because you perspective is purely American, and with the immigrant experience you are having, you should help Brits to understand the problems of living in a foreign land and not just minimize them and beat the drum for your new country.

ps I am the 'victim' of an awful slur (racism) but I am not whining and asking for support - I am self supportive and can fight my own battles. The Americans will be glad to have me when they know me.

alan

A word to the wise. When you find yourself in a hole, you should stop digging.

I am not in a hole - but I wish you were

ps whats your avatar - it looks like a broken wooden gate with a tampax wrapped round it...

or is the redneck purple heart ?

It's an Inuksuk....

It's the flag of Nunavut - the newest CDN territory...

been to Canada many times - love it too- never met a nunavutian ? ... I bet they are lovely people and they deserve a better emblem - a circle of smiling seals or something

oh oh someone's going to say that's racist ....

[Saddle Bronc 124]

Away from the Sesame-Street-brigade, those of you who have studied Economics have come across the maxim, "Amerika sneezes, and the rest of the world catches a cold."

However, with the U.S. Economy debt-laden, flagging and impotent, the World Economy is charging along at rapid pace and hasn't had such strong economic growth in 30 years. Only a few months ago, Chinese Stock Markets had a sudden downtown and the rest of the world held its breath.

This is harbinger.

The writing is on the wall for amerika.

Basically, empires/kingdoms/nations have risen throughout history--and all of them have fallen due to various factors (internal corruption one of them, being present in cent-percent of nations). No surprise that it applies to America just as it did to Assyria, (ancient) Persia, (Alexandrian) Macedonia, (imperial) Rome and imperial Britain (from which the US freed itself initially).