Working without pay during shutdown, more TSA agents are calling in sick

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1 minute ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Do you have a short memory? Wasn't too long ago that the GOP strategy was taking the ball and going home. They really should have tried harder to get things done the last 2 years when they had majorities in both houses. It's not going to get easier losing the house, and after 8 years of the tea party BS, I doubt they can expect anything less from the Democrats. 

Yes, I see, only the GOP should capitulate.  Maybe we should get rid of the Senate while we are at it, and nice dig at the tea party btw.  It is interesting that the tea party is blamed for all the ills of the GOP, but we are all just fine with the extreme left taking over the Democrat party.  In my opinion, both parties could use a good Spring cleaning, but that is not going to happen.  The Tea Party was well on its way in the GOP, but of course Obama turned his IRS against them stifling his potential political opposition.  Not sure who is going to keep the open border socialists from taking over the Democrats, probably no one as the parties have long ago stopped representing the people.

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17 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

It would be refreshing if the Dems could actually vote their conscience and not have to follow in lockstep with their Dear Leader.

Speaking of conscience eh? kinda big word when one has never called out Dear Leader

 

1. who claimed Mexico will pay for the wall

2. who will PROUDLY shut down the government threatening the livelihood of 800,000 people 

3. been spouting lies on Twitter House (250bil cost of illegal immigration? handing out contracts during the christmas?)

odd that conscience is expected of others but not from one's Dear Leader. 

Edited January 8, 2019 by abum

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12 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So nothing ever made it to the WH?  Sounds like the ball is still in the Congress considering the President cannot write and pass Bill all by himself.

So this is what you got from the NBC news i shared? Wow, i'll play, just read the highlighted/bolded bit. Easier for comprehension  

 

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President Donald Trump will not sign a Senate-passed spending bill, increasing the chances of a partial government shutdown.

The Senate unanimously approved the legislation Wednesday night to keep the government funded through Feb. 8. With Trump's support, it appeared set to breeze through the House before the midnight Friday deadline to fund seven agencies that make up about a quarter of the government.

But Trump, who seeks $5 billion to build his proposed border wall, will refuse to sign the measure without his desired border security measures, House Speaker Paul Ryan said after a meeting with the president on Thursday. Trump's decision throws more chaos into the late scramble to keep the government running through Christmas and into the new year.

 

"We just had a very long, productive meeting with the president," Ryan told reporters after House Republicans met with Trump for more than an hour. "The president informed us that he will not sign the bill that came up from the Senate last evening because of his legitimate concerns for border security."

 

Edited January 8, 2019 by abum

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6 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Yes, I see, only the GOP should capitulate.  Maybe we should get rid of the Senate while we are at it, and nice dig at the tea party btw.  It is interesting that the tea party is blamed for all the ills of the GOP, but we are all just fine with the extreme left taking over the Democrat party.  In my opinion, both parties could use a good Spring cleaning, but that is not going to happen.  The Tea Party was well on its way in the GOP, but of course Obama turned his IRS against them stifling his potential political opposition.  Not sure who is going to keep the open border socialists from taking over the Democrats, probably no one as the parties have long ago stopped representing the people.

 

   When did the GOP capitulate? I'm not sure where you are getting this version of reality from.

 

  

 

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10 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Yes, I see, only the GOP should capitulate.  Maybe we should get rid of the Senate while we are at it, and nice dig at the tea party btw.  It is interesting that the tea party is blamed for all the ills of the GOP, but we are all just fine with the extreme left taking over the Democrat party.  In my opinion, both parties could use a good Spring cleaning, but that is not going to happen.  The Tea Party was well on its way in the GOP, but of course Obama turned his IRS against them stifling his potential political opposition.  Not sure who is going to keep the open border socialists from taking over the Democrats, probably no one as the parties have long ago stopped representing the people.

 

  You make constant "digs" at the Democrats and you take exception to one at the tea party? That is funny. 

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26 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Yes, I see, only the GOP should capitulate.  Maybe we should get rid of the Senate while we are at it, and nice dig at the tea party btw.  It is interesting that the tea party is blamed for all the ills of the GOP, but we are all just fine with the extreme left taking over the Democrat party.  In my opinion, both parties could use a good Spring cleaning, but that is not going to happen.  The Tea Party was well on its way in the GOP, but of course Obama turned his IRS against them stifling his potential political opposition.  Not sure who is going to keep the open border socialists from taking over the Democrats, probably no one as the parties have long ago stopped representing the people.

Nice stream of consciousness jam brah..

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52 minutes ago, abum said:

Speaking of conscience eh? kinda big word when one has never called out Dear Leader

 

1. who claimed Mexico will pay for the wall

2. who will PROUDLY shut down the government threatening the livelihood of 800,000 people 

3. been spouting lies on Twitter House (250bil cost of illegal immigration? handing out contracts during the christmas?)

odd that conscience is expected of others but not from one's Dear Leader. 

So you can show that you have ever called out Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi?  I have actually called out Trump on many occasions, I don't really like his rhetoric, and in my opinion, Twitter should be outlawed for everyone.  As to Mexico paying for it, I never believed that little gem that the left loves to use (including their media allies), as to the shut-down, it took two sides for that to happen, so they both own it, as to Twitter, I already commented on that childish platform.  But thanks for the person attack, I guess only the left has access to "big words", or have a conscience.

 

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48 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  You make constant "digs" at the Democrats and you take exception to one at the tea party? That is funny. 

I didn't take exception to it, I just wish there would be more concern with a sitting president using a feared federal agency to stifle a perceived opponent.  I guess that would only show up if Trump started sending the IRS after the Democrat special interest groups.

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52 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   When did the GOP capitulate? I'm not sure where you are getting this version of reality from.

 

  

 

Probably from Huffington Post, NYTimes and WaPo.

 

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13 hours ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

I would like to say this before I start on the rest: As always I know we don't see eye to eye on alot of things but you are a fairly eloquent writer. 

 

I can't agree with you more on alot of this first paragraph to be honest with you. As someone who has been to both Iraq and Afghanistan not to mention lost some friends in both countries this is a hard one to stomach but it's true. We should have been out of Afghanistan a decade ago at best. Iraq is a completely different story that I will delve in to at a later date. 

 

I do not think it will violate any laws during it's construction. I would like to hear what laws do you think it will violate? I do think it help deal with alot of illegal immigration or just people coming across the Southern border due to it being a so porous. It may not be along the whole border and that is fine, but it will be along a large part of it and will help funnel people into whatever open sections there will be. 

 

Quite frankly I am tired of people from both parties that do not want to do any serious measures against illegal immigration or fake asylum claims. Nobody wants to be seen as "to hard" on those coming across these days because the term "Racist" is thrown around so loosely nowadays. There is obviously a serious problem going on and nobody wants to do any damn thing about it. 

You have RINOs on the right beholden to big business who wants the cheap labor from illegals and H1b holders. Then you have the Dems who want to cater to illegals and the future votes that amnesty would bring them. 

While I know I may seem liberal on social issues, when it comes to increase of government power and the utilization of it, I'm very much a libertarian. In that regard building the wall would cause several legal issues. One biggest looming issue, is the threat POTUS is currently using about a ''national emergency'', such a declaration would be challenged and he would lose badly. He's not the first POTUS to try it and lose either, but if he were successful R's had better be careful what they wish for as noted in this comprehensive article: https://reason.com/volokh/2019/01/07/eminent-domain-emergency-powers-and-trum

 

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conservatives are likely to have good reason to regret the precedent it would set. The same powers could easily be used by the next Democratic president for purposes that the right would hate.

Consider a scenario where Elizabeth Warren wins the presidency in 2020, but Republicans in Congress refuse to allocate funds she claims are necessary to combat climate change and institute the gigantic "Green New Deal" program many progressives advocate. President Warren could then declare climate change to be a "national emergency" and start reallocating various military and civilian funds to build all kinds of "green" construction projects. She could declare that climate change is a threat to national security, and use the Army Corps of Engineers and other military agencies to participate in the project.

Indeed, the claim that climate change is a menace to national security is at least as plausible as the claim that undocumented immigrants on the Mexican border are. The Obama Administration Department of Defense even published a report on the subject in 2014. And, of course, if President Warren decides she needs to seize some private property to carry out her plans, she could cite the Trump precedent to use eminent domain for that purpose. This is just one of many ways in which liberal Democrats could exploit the sorts of powers Trump claims here. It would not be difficult to imagine others.

 

The ability for a government to basically steal private property is problematic to me from a libertarian perspective, unless the owner is doing something illegal or harmful on that property, especially when the government has a lengthy track record of abusing such powers. We've done it in the past to even expand the fence in 2007 as noted here: https://www.texastribune.org/2017/12/14/border-land-grab-government-abused-power-seize-property-fence/ and those who fear it will happen again here: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/04/donald-trump-border-wall-eminent-domain/521958/ and here: https://www.usatoday.com/border-wall/story/eminent-domain-trump-border-wall-rio-grande/638916001/ There was little to help or protect the persons they took from. It cost taxpayers $18.2 million just for this stretch which during the implementation of the Secure Fence Act, cost us over $2 billion. Other land grabs have been fought out in court, sometimes decided very wrongly... and as a developer, Trump sees nothing wrong with this practice which has often benefited him with his own land grabs. I firmly also agree with multiple CATO studies on the idea, including this piece which describes multiple legal issues and why in general the wall will be very much like physical security theater. It will make some feel psychologically better, but do nothing to fix much at all. https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-wall-wont-work

 

And if it is built or partially built or never finished, what then? What if even completely it has little to no effect? What if it turns out, as always, the government has undertaken a wasteful project at our expense? Like you, I am very tired of people not taking the immigration system, which is badly in need of help, seriously. And I believe other parts need to be tackled first - to make it a fairer and more responsible process for everyone involved.

 

10 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Haven't heard of anyone in Texas who got anything close to a fair deal when their land was essentially stolen.

Build the wall where private property won't be affected, and use other methods where it WILL be affected.

Use other methods where terrain precludes a physical wall.

So far it doesn't seem like POTUS is interested in that idea.

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13 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So you can show that you have ever called out Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi?  I have actually called out Trump on many occasions, I don't really like his rhetoric, and in my opinion, Twitter should be outlawed for everyone.  As to Mexico paying for it, I never believed that little gem that the left loves to use (including their media allies), as to the shut-down, it took two sides for that to happen, so they both own it, as to Twitter, I already commented on that childish platform.  But thanks for the person attack, I guess only the left has access to "big words", or have a conscience.

 

oh i have, not a fan of those two, though they were responsible for some of good policies in my book. 

 

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as to the shut-down, it took two sides for that to happen, so they both own it

Have you not read the news on 20th Dec that i had taken my time to highlighted the interesting bit to you for easier comprehension? Wow again...................

 

Here it is again

 

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President Donald Trump will not sign a Senate-passed spending bill, increasing the chances of a partial government shutdown.

The Senate unanimously approved the legislation Wednesday night to keep the government funded through Feb. 8. With Trump's support, it appeared set to breeze through the House before the midnight Friday deadline to fund seven agencies that make up about a quarter of the government.

But Trump, who seeks $5 billion to build his proposed border wall, will refuse to sign the measure without his desired border security measures, House Speaker Paul Ryan said after a meeting with the president on Thursday. Trump's decision throws more chaos into the late scramble to keep the government running through Christmas and into the new year.

 

"We just had a very long, productive meeting with the president," Ryan told reporters after House Republicans met with Trump for more than an hour. "The president informed us that he will not sign the bill that came up from the Senate last evening because of his legitimate concerns for border security."

have a read again, since you have missed the core point of this news. 

 

You brought along CONSCIENCE (specifically to use it on the Dems) in this, when if you follow how the event unfolded, you know this Shutdown should have not happened in the first place. But hey, conscience is only on the Dems when the shutdown is not their doing. Funny.

 

I will share this again:
 

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THE PRESIDENT: I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck, because the people of this country don’t want criminals and people that have lots of problems and drugs pouring into our country. So I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it. The last time you shut it down, it didn’t work. I will take the mantle of shutting down.

 

HOUSE SPEAKER-DESIGNATE PELOSI: That is (inaudible).

 

THE PRESIDENT: And I’m going to shut it down for border security.

 

Edited January 8, 2019 by abum

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21 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So you can show that you have ever called out Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi?  I have actually called out Trump on many occasions, I don't really like his rhetoric, and in my opinion, Twitter should be outlawed for everyone.  As to Mexico paying for it, I never believed that little gem that the left loves to use (including their media allies), as to the shut-down, it took two sides for that to happen, so they both own it, as to Twitter, I already commented on that childish platform.  But thanks for the person attack, I guess only the left has access to "big words", or have a conscience.

 

So you never believed Mexico will pay for the wall? but the guy who insisted on building the wall, and refused to sign a bill that could have avoided the shutdown, due to the bill not having money for the wall, kept insisting Mexico will pay for the wall. Even till now.

 

Good for you, does that mean you will believe that that guy blatantly and consistently lied when it comes to that specific Mexico paying for the wall issue?

 

What about his claim of 250bil of the cost of immigration? Do you think that is a lie? 

 

Twitter is just another platform, if someone likes to spout nonsense, and lies, regardless of what platform given, it will come out the same. Biggest inauguration crowd? (he had spouted that nonsense and lies multiple times when he had the mic).

 

 

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1 hour ago, abum said:

So this is what you got from the NBC news i shared? Wow, i'll play, just read the highlighted/bolded bit. Easier for comprehension  

 

 

So did a bill make it to the WH?  I also remember when President Trump changed his mind, the House voted to include the wall funding despite Nancy Pelosi claiming that was not possible.  Regardless, it is all political in Washington, all sides own this.

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6 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So did a bill make it to the WH?  I also remember when President Trump changed his mind, the House voted to include the wall funding despite Nancy Pelosi claiming that was not possible.  Regardless, it is all political in Washington, all sides own this.

what did you get from the excerpt that i have shared twice there? What did Paul Ryan say? 

Edited January 8, 2019 by abum

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15 minutes ago, abum said:

So you never believed Mexico will pay for the wall? but the guy who insisted on building the wall, and refused to sign a bill that could have avoided the shutdown, due to the bill not having money for the wall, kept insisting Mexico will pay for the wall. Even till now.

 

Good for you, does that mean you will believe that that guy blatantly and consistently lied when it comes to that specific Mexico paying for the wall issue?

 

What about his claim of 250bil of the cost of immigration? Do you think that is a lie? 

 

Twitter is just another platform, if someone likes to spout nonsense, and lies, regardless of what platform given, it will come out the same. Biggest inauguration crowd? (he had spouted that nonsense and lies multiple times when he had the mic).

 

 

I still would have voted for him regardless considering the alternative.  All politicians blatantly and consistently lie, especially those in Washington.  I know, Trump is the king of lying, whatever.  Illegal aliens do cost this country a great deal of money, but who knows how much as we have no idea of the amount of illegals that are present in the country.  It could be in the range of 250 bil, and of course those that are allowing Trump to live in their heads rent free will find something somewhere in the biased media to say he was wrong and therefore the worst liar on the planet.  I actually have more respect for him now considering the constant barrage he receives from the "journalists", of course none of this would have happened if we had only elected Hillary Clinton, no one cares that she actually did collude (proof exist) with foreigners including the Russians during her campaign because that is allowed, she never would have fired Saint Comey even after what he did to her.  I love the double standards that exist in the Washington leadership class.

 

As to Twitter, feel free to use any platform you like, I do not really care, but that doesn't change the childishness of it.

Edited January 8, 2019 by Bill & Katya