Working without pay during shutdown, more TSA agents are calling in sick

[Chris Duffy 1,257]

As of now from what I am seeing and reading on other forums, there is no backup or issue with going thru TSA.  As of now I am gonna call it Fake News as well.

 

 

[Dashinka 25,203]

  On 1/8/2019 at 12:47 AM, Steeleballz said:

 

    Hard to pay the rent/mortgage and buy food with back pay though. Considering half the population lives paycheck to paycheck, the ramifications of a long shutdown will be real and lasting. The whole situation with these shut downs being used for political bargaining is asinine.  

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Why does half the population live paycheck to paycheck?  As to the political bargaining, I agree, this is a joke, it is time for the Democrats to show they can actually compromise.

[Dashinka 25,203]

  On 1/8/2019 at 1:17 AM, abum said:

now that i have taken my time to share this video of Trump criticizing Obama on the 2013 shutdown, would any of his staunch supporters agree with his comment if it is to be applied to himself?

 

That is, "the top" should be fired? (it is just a 30 sec clip should not be hard to digest).

Also, 2013, no one was PROUD to shut the gov down. that is another major difference of the 2 shutdown.

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I thought the MDL did not engage in whataboutism?

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

  On 1/8/2019 at 2:47 PM, Bill & Katya said:

I thought the MDL did not engage in whataboutism?

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not when it supports their agenda ... egads man 

[Dashinka 25,203]

  On 1/7/2019 at 10:43 PM, abum said:

I am interested to read more on this - any credible researches or publications that can be cited to show objectively that the wall is a big deal to the American public and those on the Southern border?

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Did I mention a "wall" in my post?  I believe I said "border security".  Since you are making assumptions, can I assume you are in favor of open borders and sanctuary locales? 

 

"In this I agree, neither party wants border security for various reasons.  However, it does seem to be a big item to the American public as well as those on the front lines of the Southern border."

 

 

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Have a read again @Bill & Katya

  On 1/7/2019 at 9:17 PM, abum said:

My point here is that, for Repeal and Replace ACA, we can see efforts from the Republicans, but for the Wall? ZERO. 

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  On 1/7/2019 at 10:22 PM, Bill & Katya said:

In this I agree, neither party wants border security for various reasons.  However, it does seem to be a big item to the American public as well as those on the front lines of the Southern border.

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  On 1/8/2019 at 2:54 PM, Bill & Katya said:

Did I mention a "wall" in my post?  I believe I said "border security".  Since you are making assumptions, can I assume you are in favor of open borders and sanctuary locales? 

 

"In this I agree, neither party wants border security for various reasons.  However, it does seem to be a big item to the American public as well as those on the front lines of the Southern border."

 

 

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No, but have a read again of my comment that you responded to, which i specifically say WALL. i highlighted that to make it easier for you.

 

  On 1/8/2019 at 2:47 PM, Bill & Katya said:

I thought the MDL did not engage in whataboutism?

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and the relevance to the standard Trump put previous President when it comes to Shutdown is (which "the Top" should be fired)......? 

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  On 1/8/2019 at 1:57 AM, ALFKAD said:

Other than blaming Trump alone for the debacle, I do not disagree with most of what you've said about the shutdown.  It at least scares people, adding stress to anyone who is affected.   I have been there, I had to go to work anyway,  so I know what I felt like (back in history,  when you weren't affected; I was, as were many of my colleagues).  So I tend to empathize with those affected.  

 

I simply asked because we here in CEHST are a pretty small group, and regardless of differences of opinion on politics, it never hurts to try and put oneself in someone else's shoes to better understand their POV.

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thank you for the empathy, since this is an immigration forum, my beef is mostly related to immigration but not wanting to reveal anything further.

 

  On 1/8/2019 at 2:00 AM, ALFKAD said:

What are your estimates on the cost of maintaining a wall?

 

 

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If i am paid to come up with the numbers, I would go with the thought process of @NikLR . 

 

  On 1/7/2019 at 12:18 AM, NikLR said:

You get the numbers and lets see how many CBP agents it will take to man this wall after it's built, at the cost of probably $40/hr wage for each of them working no more than 10 hour days, and getting premium pay at night, for overtime, plus on weekends, especially Sundays. 

I'm curious! 

and go! 

 

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Still, as i have said, i would expect those who are in favor of the promised wall, especially since it had been used to rally the base during the election, and now half of the term of the current President has passed, those numbers are not readily available, that really shows something (or lack of).

 

Why not use agencies like what they had done with the Tax change - OMB and/or CBO for example (which shows after the tax cuts, it will add 1 trillion deficit to the debt - and now need to add more - the cost of maintaining the wall)?

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[Dashinka 25,203]

  On 1/8/2019 at 3:08 PM, abum said:

Have a read again @Bill & Katya

 

No, but have a read again of my comment that you responded to, which i specifically say WALL. i highlighted that to make it easier for you.

 

and the relevance to the standard Trump put previous President when it comes to Shutdown is (which "the Top" should be fired)......? 

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So you are telling me that you are responding to yourself?  I will take it then that you are not in favor of border security. 

 

As to the actual "wall" there are quite a few stories of those in the CBP (both leadership and agents) that are very much in favor of a wall, or permanent barrier.  You can do your own research.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

  On 1/8/2019 at 2:45 PM, Bill & Katya said:

Why does half the population live paycheck to paycheck?  As to the political bargaining, I agree, this is a joke, it is time for the Democrats to show they can actually compromise.

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   Maybe a new approach? Technically, compromise involves 2 sides. 

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  On 1/8/2019 at 3:26 PM, Bill & Katya said:

So you are telling me that you are responding to yourself?  I will take it then that you are not in favor of border security. 

 

As to the actual "wall" there are quite a few stories of those in the CBP (both leadership and agents) that are very much in favor of a wall, or permanent barrier.  You can do your own research.

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i had been responding to the context of the discussion, about THE WALL. and in my comment which you responded to, i specifically said THE WALL.

 

This shutdown is , and has always been about THE WALL. 

You can also do your own research of why the current shutdown happened (who in the office refused to sign a Congress approved budget back on Dec 20th and will PROUDLY shutdown the government affecting 800,000 livelihood just to get money to pay for the wall which he promised Mexico will pay)

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[Dashinka 25,203]

  On 1/8/2019 at 3:29 PM, Steeleballz said:

 

   Maybe a new approach? Technically, compromise involves 2 sides. 

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Yes, it takes two sides and in general, it is the Democrats that get what they want and the GOP that capitulates.  It would be nice to see it happen the other way around once in a while.

[Dashinka 25,203]

  On 1/8/2019 at 3:31 PM, abum said:

i had been responding to the context of the discussion, about THE WALL. and in my comment which you responded to, i specifically said THE WALL.

 

This shutdown is , and has always been about THE WALL. 

You can also do your own research of why the current shutdown happened (who in the office refused to sign a Congress approved budget back on Dec 20th and will PROUDLY shutdown the government affecting 800,000 livelihood just to get money to pay for the wall which he promised Mexico will pay)

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Last I checked, the House had sent a bill to the Senate on December 20th that included money for your wall.  The Senate didn't vote on it because Chuck said he would threaten any Democrat senator that even considered voting for it.  It seems this shut-down is all about Democrat Party politics.  It would be refreshing if the Dems could actually vote their conscience and not have to follow in lockstep with their Dear Leader.

[abum 324]

  On 1/8/2019 at 3:43 PM, Bill & Katya said:

Last I checked, the House had sent a bill to the Senate on December 20th that included money for your wall.  The Senate didn't vote on it because Chuck said he would threaten any Democrat senator that even considered voting for it.  It seems this shut-down is all about Democrat Party politics.  It would be refreshing if the Dems could actually vote their conscience and not have to follow in lockstep with their Dear Leader.

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Check harder maybe? Here you go  

 

  On 1/8/2019 at 12:58 AM, abum said:

 

Maybe back pay can put food on the table for the past 2 weeks (might need a time machine to do so though)? and those failed to pay their loans/credit cards can adjust their credit score immediately after the back pay?

 

hurm.....

Might as well share another news of what could have been (before the livelihood of 800,000 was proudly put to hostage and where we are right now)

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/19/politics/government-shutdown-congress-trump-border-wall/index.html
 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/20/ryan-says-trump-will-not-sign-senate-passed-bill-to-avoid-government-shutdown.html
 

 

but hey, someone said Congress is at fault! 

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[Steeleballz 7,550]

  On 1/8/2019 at 3:41 PM, Bill & Katya said:

Yes, it takes two sides and in general, it is the Democrats that get what they want and the GOP that capitulates.  It would be nice to see it happen the other way around once in a while.

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  Do you have a short memory? Wasn't too long ago that the GOP strategy was taking the ball and going home. They really should have tried harder to get things done the last 2 years when they had majorities in both houses. It's not going to get easier losing the house, and after 8 years of the tea party BS, I doubt they can expect anything less from the Democrats. 

[Dashinka 25,203]

  On 1/8/2019 at 3:45 PM, abum said:

Check harder maybe? Here you go  

 

 

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So nothing ever made it to the WH?  Sounds like the ball is still in the Congress considering the President cannot write and pass Bill all by himself.