Working without pay during shutdown, more TSA agents are calling in sick

[Steeleballz 7,550]

4 hours ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

If you go through and read through here from posts from me and @NikLR who actually have experience working for the USG then you would see that Yes, more than likely GS workers will get backpay and more than likely Contractors too. 

 

    Hard to pay the rent/mortgage and buy food with back pay though. Considering half the population lives paycheck to paycheck, the ramifications of a long shutdown will be real and lasting. The whole situation with these shut downs being used for political bargaining is asinine.  

[abum 324]

 

Just now, ALFKAD said:

So you can’t point to a more accurate figure, but you don’t like $135 billion.  Gotcha.  Truth is, no one knows.  Not the number of illegals, nor the true cost to own.

i would assume those who are in favor of the wall, would have:

1. get all the numbers ready (cost, impact, estimates)

2. get all the bills to be enact into law ready

3. get all the processes ready

 

sadly that did not happen. And the shutdown happened (which was due to a guy not wanting to sign a bill that doesn't have the funding for the wall). The top guy championing the wall failed to bring proofs of 250bil figure (and oddly some supporters would not use that exact figure from the dear leader, and opt for  a different one - of which there had also been challenged). 

 

 

 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

55 minutes ago, refugee said:

someone else said 250 billion...is it 135 billion now? 

Can we subcontract the wall out to the Chinese? They seem to know how to do it. It took 3,000 years though...can we save money if we wait?

@abum actually the number is $116 Billion every single year. 

 

The study is below.

https://fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers

[abum 324]

3 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

    Hard to pay the rent/mortgage and buy food with back pay though. Considering half the population lives paycheck to paycheck, the ramifications of a long shutdown will be real and lasting. The whole situation with these shut downs being used for political bargaining is asinine.  

 

Maybe back pay can put food on the table for the past 2 weeks (might need a time machine to do so though)? and those failed to pay their loans/credit cards can adjust their credit score immediately after the back pay?

 

hurm.....

Might as well share another news of what could have been (before the livelihood of 800,000 was proudly put to hostage and where we are right now)

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/19/politics/government-shutdown-congress-trump-border-wall/index.html
 

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Washington (CNN)The Senate passed a stop-gap spending bill on Wednesday night in an effort to keep the government funded and prevent a partial shutdown at the end of the week.

A shutdown hasn't been averted just yet: The measure will still need to be approved by the House of Representatives and signed by President Donald Trump before it can take effect.

But the Senate's passage of the short-term measure brings Washington one step closer to staving off a shutdown of some key federal agencies, set to expire at midnight on Friday, just days before Christmas.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/20/ryan-says-trump-will-not-sign-senate-passed-bill-to-avoid-government-shutdown.html
 

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President Donald Trump will not sign a Senate-passed spending bill, increasing the chances of a partial government shutdown.

The Senate unanimously approved the legislation Wednesday night to keep the government funded through Feb. 8. With Trump's support, it appeared set to breeze through the House before the midnight Friday deadline to fund seven agencies that make up about a quarter of the government.

But Trump, who seeks $5 billion to build his proposed border wall, will refuse to sign the measure without his desired border security measures, House Speaker Paul Ryan said after a meeting with the president on Thursday. Trump's decision throws more chaos into the late scramble to keep the government running through Christmas and into the new year.

 

but hey, someone said Congress is at fault! 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 hour ago, abum said:

If only his party and his supporters put him to the same standard he had put others to.. wishful thinking i know

 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-criticize-obama-shutdown/

please don't try to pass off a Snopes article in here. We have already shut them down months ago as being a unhinged fat guy that lives in his basement.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

15 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

So you can’t point to a more accurate figure, but you don’t like $135 billion.  Gotcha.  Truth is, no one knows.  Not the number of illegals, nor the true cost to own.

Don't worry I gave him a article that is very thorough. 

[abum 324]

2 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

@abum actually the number is $116 Billion every single year. 

 

The study is below.

https://fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers

You can read the 2 links i shared below, already had that FAIR stuff mentioned there.

 

24 minutes ago, abum said:

haha, that "someone else" is that one guy that keeps tweeting false stuff unfortunately, and strange people did not quote his 250bil figure. i wonder why?  🤔 

 

his exact tweet here:

 

 

 

 

have a read here https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/dec/05/donald-trump/donald-trumps-false-claim-about-cost-illegal-immig/ 

 

and here https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/apr/30/don-blankenship/don-blankenship-claims-illegal-immigration-costs-1/

 

 

 

[abum 324]

1 minute ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

please don't try to pass off a Snopes article in here. We have already shut them down months ago as being a unhinged fat guy that lives in his basement.

urm sure, though you can read his statements on Obama Shutdown , and watch the videos too. Did not change the facts presented on that link i shared. Unless you have some counterarguments disproving Trump criticized Obama on the 2013 shutdown.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

2 minutes ago, abum said:

You can read the 2 links i shared below, already had that FAIR stuff mentioned there.

Yeah they are mentioned by you did not submit it at all so I did.

1 minute ago, abum said:

urm sure, though you can read his statements on Obama Shutdown , and watch the videos too. Did not change the facts presented on that link i shared. Unless you have some counterarguments disproving Trump criticized Obama on the 2013 shutdown.

I did not even look at it when I saw it was from Snopes. I put them on the same level as Infowars 

Edited January 8, 2019 by Cyberfx1024

[abum 324]

5 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

I did not even look at it when I saw it was from Snopes. I put them on the same level as Infowars 

Alright, i'll play: here is the youtube link on that Snopes link, of which i quoted in that comment - it was from FoxNews so must be trustworthy (Trump also praised Alex Jones of Infowars back then but that is a separate matter )

 

 

[refugee 169]

10 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

@abum actually the number is $116 Billion every single year. 

 

The study is below.

https://fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers

Thanks for providing the study.  The Cato institute claims the study is flawed and the actual cost is 3.3 to 15.6 Billion.  

 

https://www.cato.org/blog/fairs-fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-study-fatally-flawed

 

I didn't spend a long time looking at Cato's rebuttal, but the reasoning seems sound.  

[abum 324]

4 minutes ago, abum said:

Alright, i'll play: here is the youtube link on that Snopes link, of which i quoted in that comment - it was from FoxNews so must be trustworthy (Trump also praised Alex Jones of Infowars back then but that is a separate matter )

 

 

now that i have taken my time to share this video of Trump criticizing Obama on the 2013 shutdown, would any of his staunch supporters agree with his comment if it is to be applied to himself?

 

That is, "the top" should be fired? (it is just a 30 sec clip should not be hard to digest).

Also, 2013, no one was PROUD to shut the gov down. that is another major difference of the 2 shutdown.

[refugee 169]

12 minutes ago, abum said:

 

Maybe back pay can put food on the table for the past 2 weeks (might need a time machine to do so though)? and those failed to pay their loans/credit cards can adjust their credit score immediately after the back pay?

 

hurm.....

Might as well share another news of what could have been (before the livelihood of 800,000 was proudly put to hostage and where we are right now)

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/19/politics/government-shutdown-congress-trump-border-wall/index.html
 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/20/ryan-says-trump-will-not-sign-senate-passed-bill-to-avoid-government-shutdown.html
 

 

but hey, someone said Congress is at fault! 

If only the Nancy and Chuck had jumped in to save the day before they owned the house..oh wait they tried: 

 

"“I am proud to shut down the government for border security,” Trump declared. “I will take the mantle,” he added as Schumer grinned. “I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it.”

[abum 324]

8 minutes ago, refugee said:

Thanks for providing the study.  The Cato institute claims the study is flawed and the actual cost is 3.3 to 15.6 Billion.  

 

https://www.cato.org/blog/fairs-fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-study-fatally-flawed

 

I didn't spend a long time looking at Cato's rebuttal, but the reasoning seems sound.  

even with FAIR's estimate, where on earth one managed to get 250bil? 

[abum 324]

7 minutes ago, refugee said:

If only the Nancy and Chuck had jumped in to save the day before they owned the house..oh wait they tried: 

 

"“I am proud to shut down the government for border security,” Trump declared. “I will take the mantle,” he added as Schumer grinned. “I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it.”

Facts wont matter because... because... because the Dems! 

so far, i could not see even one supporter of the promised wall to admit that the President claimed he should be blamed for the current shutdown (and indeed he should even without him acknowledging that obvious fact - as i had shared the news of what could have been back in Dec 19th and Dec 20th, and also with the bills the House passed last week).

 

And with all the falsehood (or actually LIES) being consistently tweeted, no supporters would want to acknowledge that too.. and kept sidestepping the issue major points i brought forth, and cheerypick my comments to sort of "refute/counter" it. 

Edited January 8, 2019 by abum