Working without pay during shutdown, more TSA agents are calling in sick

[abum 324]

3 minutes ago, abum said:

And please do not try to re-write the history - the bills did not get even 100% of Republican support.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_repeal_the_Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#115th_Congress_(2017–2018)


 

 

My point here is that, for Repeal and Replace ACA, we can see efforts from the Republicans, but for the Wall? ZERO. 

[NikLR 13,232]

2 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

Where did I imply that I wanted border protection to keep Americans from leaving.  If you research history, when WWII ended and Germany was split up, there was free flow of people between the East and the West, then when the East government saw that they were losing most of the intellectuals, they started restricting that freedom of movement eventually ending up with the Berlin Wall.  As already mentioned, the border protection being proposed really has no comparison to the Berlin Wall, or the Iron Curtain for that matter.  We put up barriers all over the place related to international arrivals which funnel folks to valid POEs, why should this not be done down South?

I took social studies in high school.  Ive seen actual footage of internment camps. I was alive when the berlin wall came down.  

Due to its effectiveness in keeping traffic from flowing is why I suggested a berlin wall example. As an example in that aspect but people took off with it in other ways as people will do. 

[NikLR 13,232]

Anyhow, i cant vote but im affected by this government with no choice unless i want a divorce.  Im not divorcing over this so complain a little then i suck it up.  Ya'll have fun. 

[jg121783 3,921]

3 minutes ago, abum said:

And please do not try to re-write the history - the bills did not get even 100% of Republican support.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_repeal_the_Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#115th_Congress_(2017–2018)


 

 

That's true. Some republicans (In name only) were responsible along with the democrats for the shutdown. But i fail to see how it is Trump's fault because the bill didn't even make it to him. If only those rinos and 8 democrats would have done the right thing the government wouldn't be shut down.

[abum 324]

1 minute ago, jg121783 said:

That's true. Some republicans (In name only) were responsible along with the democrats for the shutdown. But i fail to see how it is Trump's fault because the bill didn't even make it to him. If only those rinos and 8 democrats would have done the right thing the government wouldn't be shut down.

which shutdown are we talking about now (and that i said Trump was responsible)?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

2 hours ago, NikLR said:

Same for all workers. I work hard, it doesn't mean all my coworkers do.  But I don't base my work on the work habits of others.  

The government mires their workers in paperwork too to cover their butts.  It should be more efficient. 

Hubs loves his job.  He's working with hope of back pay. I support his decisions. 

Historically,  I think every government employee who worked thru a shutdown without pay got their back pay.  The bad part is that the ones who were sent home, and did nothing, ALSO got back pay.  That really caused some bad feelings among the employees I supervised.

 

The difference between your coworkers and government employees is that your peers can be fired very easily for poor performance.   Not true with government employees.  They are protected, and it takes a LOT of paperwork to fire one.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

10 minutes ago, abum said:

which shutdown are we talking about now (and that i said Trump was responsible)?

The one I was referring to when Schumer shut down the government. 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

22 minutes ago, abum said:

And please do not try to re-write the history - the bills did not get even 100% of Republican support.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_repeal_the_Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#115th_Congress_(2017–2018)


 

 

 I'm not trying to re write history here. You are, I clearly stated the  Immigration bill needed 60 votes to pass the senate. The republicans did not even have 50 plus votes to get to it because there are a couple different factions within the Republican party who did not want that immigration bill to pass. So the bill would have  Democrat compromise to help pass that bill and help the dreamers. But schumer did not want to help them and wanted to stand his ground.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 hour ago, abum said:

It is sad when reading the stories of affected Gov workers and contractors that they will have to defer payment for rent, loans, and might have credit ratings affected due to this and yet, someone was PROUD to trigger the issue
 

I'm curious... were you this outraged during all the government shutdowns under Obama and the Bush's?  Or just now that you feel you can blame Trump for it?  What about the ones under Clinton?  I think one of those lasted about 3 weeks.  

[refugee 169]

1 hour ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

New hires won't get pay you are correct. I have also seen on a forum for us Federal workers that people are being on boarded even during the shutdown and working without pay. But this is the price they have to pick when coming to the Feds. 

I am no sort of expert on hiring the best people, but why would we consider this a feature of working for the government.  We need to go out of our way to find the best people who are likely taking a cut from the private sector.  This just makes it tougher for the Feds to hire.

[refugee 169]

28 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

 I'm not trying to re write history here. You are, I clearly stated the  Immigration bill needed 60 votes to pass the senate. The republicans did not even have 50 plus votes to get to it because there are a couple different factions within the Republican party who did not want that immigration bill to pass. So the bill would have  Democrat compromise to help pass that bill and help the dreamers. But schumer did not want to help them and wanted to stand his ground.

So if the Republicans couldn't get 50 votes, why are they blaming the Democrats? 

[abum 324]

1 hour ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

You are correct the Senate did not pass the bill that the House passed last year because it needed 60 votes to pass which they did not get. Republicans at the time had 52 votes so they would need 8 votes by the Dems to pass the bill if the Republicans voted as a block. 

 

24 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

 I'm not trying to re write history here. You are, I clearly stated the  Immigration bill needed 60 votes to pass the senate. The republicans did not even have 50 plus votes to get to it because there are a couple different factions within the Republican party who did not want that immigration bill to pass. So the bill would have  Democrat compromise to help pass that bill and help the dreamers. But schumer did not want to help them and wanted to stand his ground.

You contradicted yourself there.

 

That is the thing, the people who wanted to Repeal and Replace ACA did not even managed to be on the same page to get the numbers to pass a bill to accomplish what they had championed for.

 

And worth reading the exact numbers needed to pass a bill from a trusted authentic source.

 

https://www.house.gov/the-house-explained/the-legislative-process 

 

23 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

I'm curious... were you this outraged during all the government shutdowns under Obama and the Bush's?  Or just now that you feel you can blame Trump for it?  What about the ones under Clinton?  I think one of those lasted about 3 weeks.  

Should i be outrage for the past shutdowns? 

 

And how long has the current shutdown last? And have you calculated the days of shutdown in 2018 and in 2019?

[refugee 169]

Things just got real...

This government shutdown is disrupting the flow of Georgia beer

https://www.ajc.com/news/local/this-government-shutdown-disrupting-the-flow-georgia-beer/5cvsnSqOfyeIF90Douiv8N/

 

[abum 324]

52 minutes ago, abum said:

My point here is that, for Repeal and Replace ACA, we can see efforts from the Republicans, but for the Wall? ZERO. 

people seemed to miss that this had been my point all along when i brought up the issue with ACA not passing the Congress.

Where was the plan for Mexico to pay for the wall? Which bills got voted on that has measures regarding the wall to be paid by Mexico?

 

And Why is the President holding 800,000 livelihood as collateral if he firmly believes Mexico will pay for the wall? (and yet no plans had been brought fort even after half of his current term!!!!)

[refugee 169]

6 minutes ago, abum said:

people seemed to miss that this had been my point all along when i brought up the issue with ACA not passing the Congress.

Where was the plan for Mexico to pay for the wall? Which bills got voted on that has measures regarding the wall to be paid by Mexico?

 

And Why is the President holding 800,000 livelihood as collateral if he firmly believes Mexico will pay for the wall? (and yet no plans had been brought fort even after half of his current term!!!!)

The President does not want or care about a wall on the Southern Border.  The President only wants us talking about what victims we are and how our southern flank is under eminent collapse .  If he gets his wall he will have to distract us with some other canard.