udge rules Obamacare unconstitutional, endangering coverage for 20 million

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 hour ago, JimandChristy said:

Universal Health Care, come on America get into the 20th Century.

You mean like they have in Canada today?  

 

So why is it so many Canadians come a cross the border and pay for their health needs in the US?

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

32 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Well this thread isn't about that, nor can I comment on that specifically, I've been running around to doctors all week and have been too busy to sit down and take all of the other news stories of the week in... but fwiw, healthcare stuff always piques my interest, so I took some moments to read stuff about this. Everyone just needs to relax about the implications of this ruling - regardless of how you view Ocare and want the outcome to be, what happened is not actually what some are saying happened.

As usual I am in the middle of the road. No one should go bankrupt in this country for getting sick, and as wealth is the country is we should find a way to have health care for those that need it.  I also dont like socialism so its pickle isnt it.

 

As for Obamacare I am not sure those absurd deductibles really help a poor person get health care.

[Chris Duffy 1,257]

51 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

You mean like they have in Canada today?  

 

So why is it so many Canadians come a cross the border and pay for their health needs in the US?

Exactly

[yuna628 9,676]

10 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

As usual I am in the middle of the road. No one should go bankrupt in this country for getting sick, and as wealth is the country is we should find a way to have health care for those that need it.  I also dont like socialism so its pickle isnt it.

 

As for Obamacare I am not sure those absurd deductibles really help a poor person get health care.

*squints at your account* What the heck happened? Good lord, I feel like I missed something while convalescing!

 

I certainly do agree though. To be fair, there were always insane deductibles and premiums even before Ocare, not to mention the denial of coverage to those who needed it. We've had a lot of health issues this year, and without insurance we'd be many thousands of dollars in the hole.. so thankful for the coverage.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

4 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

*squints at your account* What the heck happened? Good lord, I feel like I missed something while convalescing!

 

I certainly do agree though. To be fair, there were always insane deductibles and premiums even before Ocare, not to mention the denial of coverage to those who needed it. We've had a lot of health issues this year, and without insurance we'd be many thousands of dollars in the hole.. so thankful for the coverage.

Long story but my last account got locked cause I accidentally,  changed my name back to the one I had closed. Solution was make a new one 

[JimandChristy 1,689]

59 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

You mean like they have in Canada today?  

 

So why is it so many Canadians come a cross the border and pay for their health needs in the US?

They do but nowhere near as many Americans going to Canada for healthcare. 

 

Americans to Canada 1.5 million

Canadians to USA 60,000

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Satisfied said:

You mean like they have in Canada today?  

 

So why is it so many Canadians come a cross the border and pay for their health needs in the US?

 

  The same reason why many Americans end up dead in ER. Lack of health services.

 

  Just different reasons. Canada doesn't have enough doctors. The US has plenty, but not enough people have access. Having worked and used both systems, there could be a happy medium there. There's just a lot of resistance by certain groups. 

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[Chris Duffy 1,257]

Love You Fort Worth

 

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2018/12/15/obamacare-jeopardy-fort-worth-judge-rules-act-unconstitutional/

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

I am against the concept of Obamacare

 

Having said that, using the healthcare availability of millions of people as a political pawn is wrong by both sides.t 

 

Insurance should be consumed by choice not penalty, but offering the discounted insurance without subsidies by the public while covering pre-existing conditions seems just to me.

 

There is an equitable meeting point for this

 

[Boiler 45,525]

Insurance other than at the fringe is not a solution, like insuring the Police of Fire Dept.

[Chris Duffy 1,257]

7 minutes ago, Randyandyuni said:

I am against the concept of Obamacare

 

Having said that, using the healthcare availability of millions of people as a political pawn is wrong by both sides.t 

 

Insurance should be consumed by choice not penalty, but offering the discounted insurance without subsidies by the public while covering pre-existing conditions seems just to me.

 

There is an equitable meeting point for this

 

I had to pay a fine each year for not having insurance.  Thank God for Trump for getting rid of it finally.

 

But the fine was as high in the end, I finally got insurance and I really don't need it or want it.

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

5 minutes ago, Chris Duffy said:

I had to pay a fine each year for not having insurance.  Thank God for Trump for getting rid of it finally.

 

But the fine was as high in the end, I finally got insurance and I really don't need it or want it.

I agree the fines are ludicrous but a national self-paid policy without government subsidies is a manegable interim solution

[Chris Duffy 1,257]

4 minutes ago, Randyandyuni said:

I agree the fines are ludicrous but a national self-paid policy without government subsidies is a manegable interim solution

Welcome to Obama President tenure : Fine and make the working guy pay for all the people who don't want to work or come here Illegally.  

 

This is just another reason Trump won, it was a retaliation to Obama who cared about non americans.  Trump is America First

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

8 minutes ago, Chris Duffy said:

Welcome to Obama President tenure : Fine and make the working guy pay for all the people who don't want to work or come here Illegally.  

 

This is just another reason Trump won, it was a retaliation to Obama who cared about non americans.  Trump is America First

 

 

 

 

 

 

We are on the same side of the arguement here, I do think the government could provide a group policy to the nation's uninsured, purely voluntary and not subsidized by the government 

[Boiler 45,525]

1 minute ago, Randyandyuni said:

We are on the same side of the arguement here, I do think the government could provide a group policy to the nation's uninsured, purely voluntary and not subsidized by the government 

How would they be able to afford it?