Where can I get my brains washed

[Fandango 1,439]

Oh, and saywhat? Listen, before you continue to attack JenT for editing, perhaps you should look at your profile page and learn the correct usage of an apostrophe before getting all high and mighty

[Mary Lou 681]

Well, we can at least pity the OP... must be a very lonely life up there on that pedastal all by himself.

I agree Jen.

Too bad he's more concerned with slagging off Americans then trying to see the "big picture" and blend in and hopefully make a decent life for himself and his wife.

blend in is just another way of saying shut up...jeez you are the torch bearers of liberty and free speech and all you can say is shut up and be quiet and blend in.. some exciting place I am coming to...

If that lot in Boston had done that you would not even have had a revolution - come on and show some spirit and have energetic reasoned debate - or did that all end in 1777 ?

Now you are putting words in my mouth Alan, tut tut For some reason you think we are all thumping our chests, flag waving, give me liberty or give me death, 1st amendment morons.

How is it possible for us to have a energetic, reasoned debate with you, may i ask? You have your opinions about america and americans and nothing we would say will change that.

Edited May 21, 2007 by garyandmarylou

[Captain Oates 910]

Al, baby, What happened? Last time you were here you were running away from firey wife as she was gonna blast your ####### off with a 9mm and you wanted divorce advice. Did you confiscate the gun?

Like Robin says, we have missed you. I see you're still homesick. Bless yer little cotton socks.

and LOU LOU !!!!!

only real lou-lou I ever met was in a gay bar in munich - 6ft skinny guy and built like 2 yards of pump water - I should say I didnt know it was a gay bar

(but my boyfriend did ) JOKE !!!!!

Me and my fiery yank slugged each other to a stop metaphorically speaking - there was nowhere to go from there but up !

Bit like an alky that reaches rock bottom - we did and then built it all up from there.

She got this weird idea I was provocative just for the sake of it - now she knows I am a fluffy bunny really

she has a superior condescending a*s*s hooole fixation so she decided to come here to the Uk so we could be together until we could resume marital harmony in rabid nationalist land

We have been all over europe and its paris in the spring on friday... she is in Milwaukee until Thursday so I am whiling away the time slapping these unimaginative cuckoos around until then (sorry cuckoos - didnt know you were listening to me and lou lou - she used to knock me around too on this site in 2005 - but with more success)

nice to see ya !

lou lou and the coven !

alan

[TheZilla 0]

She got the idea that you're provacative just for the sake of it? Where on earth??? That's just unbelievable.

[Captain Oates 910]

You have your opinions about america and americans and nothing we would say will change that.

I love you Americans ! you just need your sensibilities rearranging a bit and thats why I am coming !

Yes - think of it as the second coming and send your dollars to the saywhat ministry - stone mountain Georgia !!!!!

No look I cant rearrange all your mind sets - i started off by saying there is too many of you for me to do that...

So I want to know how I deal with zealous intolerant prickly nationalism and I just get

stay away

shut up

it doesnt exist here - its a slur on the american people

saywhat is an idiot

Nobody is making an attempt to ease my insertion into your society (mind pictures or what)

alan

[JenT 0]

Tell us why we should care about the ease of your insertion into US society again?

[Jenn! 918]

So I want to know how I deal with zealous intolerant prickly nationalism

I have no idea. Ignore it? Avoid those sorts of people? You've already admitted that you can't change mindsets, so you'll have to live with it or distance yourself from it as much as possible. Politics does not come up in every day conversation with acquaintances, at least for me it doesn't, so I really don't think you have a whole lot to worry about.

[Captain Oates 910]

Tell us why we should care about the ease of your insertion into US society again?

Because I am a huddled mass and you are well known for reaching out to us !

I might also need you to feed me through the first winter pilgrim

[Captain Oates 910]

So I want to know how I deal with zealous intolerant prickly nationalism

I have no idea. Ignore it? Avoid those sorts of people? You've already admitted that you can't change mindsets, so you'll have to live with it or distance yourself from it as much as possible. Politics does not come up in every day conversation with acquaintances, at least for me it doesn't, so I really don't think you have a whole lot to worry about.

HOORAY YOU ARE THE FIRST TO GIVE A NON AGRESSIVE CONSTRUCTIVE REPLY !!!!!

All these posts and you are a winner !

oh that I had met you on the first reply we could have saved so much hard drive space....

are you an American ? If so you are a credit to your country and you have restored my faith !

alan

[Leney 0]

Well, we can at least pity the OP... must be a very lonely life up there on that pedastal all by himself.

I agree Jen.

Too bad he's more concerned with slagging off Americans then trying to see the "big picture" and blend in and hopefully make a decent life for himself and his wife.

blend in is just another way of saying shut up...jeez you are the torch bearers of liberty and free speech and all you can say is shut up and be quiet and blend in.. some exciting place I am coming to...

If that lot in Boston had done that you would not even have had a revolution - come on and show some spirit and have energetic reasoned debate - or did that all end in 1777 ?

You fancy yourself quite intellectual, sarcastic, witty, sadly, you're mistaken...you're a dime a dozen. (Sorry didn't mean to climb on your cloud) You seem unsettled with your own situation and have brought your passive aggressive tripe to the forums of a very emotionally charged place, for Americans and Brits who have come, or are coming together to share their lives in love in the USA. The irony is your slagging the very thing you (assumption here *uh oh*) love - a typical American.

Now, while I can sit back and have a laugh, some people don't separate the banter from the jabs. You know this, you feed off of this, yet you don't make yourself look any better, you just go after the weakest link in your perception, spew a bunch of off colour/off topic remarks, then direct everyone else to stay on course. I understand the concept of "boredom debate" on forums. I do it myself, I say things I wouldn't necessary argue for the hell of it, but don't be shocked or offended when you insight passion in others and definitely don't take your toys back and go running home, you're welcome as any other.

Though, I must say if you are so severely unhappy, frightened, and emasculated with your wifes bid to relocate you to the states, I'm sure there are many other locations, such as beach front property in Antarctica which would better suit your needs. You and the penguins can duke it out for supremacy there mate! Maybe you can even wrangle them into servitude - an army of snide penguins - to do your evil bidding! Good luck with Florida though, really. Bring loads of sunscreen!

[Mary Lou 681]

You have your opinions about america and americans and nothing we would say will change that.

I love you Americans ! you just need your sensibilities rearranging a bit and thats why I am coming !Yes - think of it as the second coming and send your dollars to the saywhat ministry - stone mountain Georgia !!!!!

No look I cant rearrange all your mind sets - i started off by saying there is too many of you for me to do that...

So I want to know how I deal with zealous intolerant prickly nationalism and I just get

stay away

shut up

it doesnt exist here - its a slur on the american people

saywhat is an idiot

Nobody is making an attempt to ease my insertion into your society (mind pictures or what)

alan

I'm just glad i live in Wisconsin and wont be living near you

[Captain Oates 910]

Though, I must say if you are so severely unhappy, frightened, and emasculated with your wifes bid to relocate you to the states, I'm sure there are many other locations, such as beach front property in Antarctica which would better suit your needs. You and the penguins can duke it out for supremacy there mate! Maybe you can even wrangle them into servitude - an army of snide penguins - to do your evil bidding! Good luck with Florida though, really. Bring loads of sunscreen!

quick stab at my masculinity and bravery - last underhand resort of a villain who would like to swear but wants to keep the moral high ground and does it in a really nasty way

Failed

Sorry -

Won't need the sunscreen because I will have developed such a thick skin from all the acid you are pouring out

I may be provocative but most of it is jolly stuff whereas you sound horrible - mate

[TheZilla 0]

Alan, if there is a reasonable bone in your body, can you look back at my original post?

If your problem truly is this pesky "American Nationalism", have you listened to anyone who was trying to assure you that it's not as epidemic as you seem to think it is? There ARE blindly patriotic MORONS who don't take issue with our country and it's policies because they are afraid, don't want to think, and do have that mentality that 'America is the best in the world and nobody can mess with us!!". No one is disputing it. What we're trying to tell you, if you really want some sort of comfort, is that it's NOT the majority. You seem to be steadfastly stuck on certain experiences you've had thus far with a small circle of people.

How can America be so epidemically nationalist and bullheadedly so, if on a regular basis I gather with people who enjoy discussing what problems American policy has [both foreign and domestic], problems with our media, the apathy of certain groups, etc. etc.? Talking with people whom, while they love where they live, can discuss that our government is not always kind to other countries, and can be somewhat of a bully in it's policy making sometimes? We also discuss bad policies of other countries as well, does that automatically turn us into bullheaded nationalists?? I'm not defined by the country I live in, I had nothing to do with the fact I just so happened to be born here. I DO live here though, and I'm living under a certain government that is capable of both very good things, and absolutely awful things. Who isn't? Show me a country with an 100% clean and dandy record in terms of policies or culture and I'll congratulate you.

If what you're expecting is to be 100% embraced and accepted for your outlooks, anyone would tell you that's unattainable, no matter where you go. Would I like it if the blindly patriotic groups who act like the rest of the world only exists in relation to America were less? Sure I would. Do I think it's the majority? No, I don't. Do I think I can't find the same mentality in other countries, The UK included? No, I don't. I can find it anywhere. You don't have to 'blend in', it doesn't have to come to that. Still, I get the feeling with all that you've posted that you're looking for 100% approval, and will not tolerate otherwise. You're playing the role of victim very badly. You're not a victim just because you came across a handful of idiots who force their flag-waving on everyone else.

There's more out there for you to find if you really want to. Your experiences are valid, it's just I wish I thought you could break yourself out of them to see a bigger picture. I can't sit here and agree that "Because these particular people I've met are scarily nationalist, it means the whole country is that way and I'll never feel peace unless I pretend I agree". It doesn't have to be that way. Stretch out and meet new people, visit the coasts. You don't have to be a flag waving, "AMERICA IS THE BEST" sort of person to live here happily. You have the discretion to make your choices as to whom you discuss what with, and I think you might find a lot of friends if you don't decide who and what they are before they even open their mouthes.

[JenT 0]

Every forum should have a troll.... looks like we found ours.

[Captain Oates 910]

Alan, if there is a reasonable bone in your body, can you look back at my original post?

If your problem truly is this pesky "American Nationalism", have you listened to anyone who was trying to assure you that it's not as epidemic as you seem to think it is? There ARE blindly patriotic MORONS who don't take issue with our country and it's policies because they are afraid, don't want to think, and do have that mentality that 'America is the best in the world and nobody can mess with us!!". No one is disputing it. What we're trying to tell you, if you really want some sort of comfort, is that it's NOT the majority. You seem to be steadfastly stuck on certain experiences you've had thus far with a small circle of people.

How can America be so epidemically nationalist and bullheadedly so, if on a regular basis I gather with people who enjoy discussing what problems American policy has [both foreign and domestic], problems with our media, the apathy of certain groups, etc. etc.? Talking with people whom, while they love where they live, can discuss that our government is not always kind to other countries, and can be somewhat of a bully in it's policy making sometimes? We also discuss bad policies of other countries as well, does that automatically turn us into bullheaded nationalists?? I'm not defined by the country I live in, I had nothing to do with the fact I just so happened to be born here. I DO live here though, and I'm living under a certain government that is capable of both very good things, and absolutely awful things. Who isn't? Show me a country with an 100% clean and dandy record in terms of policies or culture and I'll congratulate you.

If what you're expecting is to be 100% embraced and accepted for your outlooks, anyone would tell you that's unattainable, no matter where you go. Would I like it if the blindly patriotic groups who act like the rest of the world only exists in relation to America were less? Sure I would. Do I think it's the majority? No, I don't. Do I think I can't find the same mentality in other countries, The UK included? No, I don't. I can find it anywhere. You don't have to 'blend in', it doesn't have to come to that. Still, I get the feeling with all that you've posted that you're looking for 100% approval, and will not tolerate otherwise. You're playing the role of victim very badly. You're not a victim just because you came across a handful of idiots who force their flag-waving on everyone else.

There's more out there for you to find if you really want to. Your experiences are valid, it's just I wish I thought you could break yourself out of them to see a bigger picture. I can't sit here and agree that "Because these particular people I've met are scarily nationalist, it means the whole country is that way and I'll never feel peace unless I pretend I agree". It doesn't have to be that way. Stretch out and meet new people, visit the coasts. You don't have to be a flag waving, "AMERICA IS THE BEST" sort of person to live here happily. You have the discretion to make your choices as to whom you discuss what with, and I think you might find a lot of friends if you don't decide who and what they are before they even open their mouthes.

What a beautiful post - it will be my honour to share the continent with someone like you

Makes it worth suffering the slings and arrows

Of course your right and if I sleep under the railway bridge with the tramps then I am going to catch fleas

So I need to chose my company carefully and tell them who I am and what my motives are before I get rolling

It's who you mix with

Well I am going to close my contributions to this thread now with a little poem which sums it up

One evening last October

When I was one third sober

And carrying home a load with manly pride

My poor feet began to stutter

and so I laid down in the gutter

and a pig came up and laid down by my side...

So we sang 'it's all fair weather

When good fellows get together'

Til a lady passing by was heard to say

'You can tell man who boozes by the company he choses

and the pig got up and slowly walked away..

hasta la vista friends and enemies -until next time