South Carolina woman kills escaped jail inmate who kicked down her door, sheriff says

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7 hours ago, Satisfied said:

I wasn’t trying to mix up the statistics, it’s just what I could find on the CDC.  I KNOW there is a number out there about child firearm deaths (because I have seen it before), but it wasn’t in my purview yesterday.

 

The crazy thing is that things are MUCH safer today for kids than when you and I were kids.  I think about riding in the car in the rear window, my first car seat that was made of metal with a foam cover, racing downhill on my bike with no helmet on, riding horses with no saddle and only binder twine for reins... it’s amazing I am alive today.

 

Also, as to the fact you presented about cars being more prevalent today (which is accurate), it wasn’t always that way.  Guns used to be a much more common commodity.  But times have changed.

Things are certainly better for children, but we still trail behind other wealthy countries. If you take all countries we are 36. I believe we are last in the OECD countries.

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10 hours ago, Satisfied said:

 

The crazy thing is that things are MUCH safer today for kids than when you and I were kids.  I think about riding in the car in the rear window, my first car seat that was made of metal with a foam cover, racing downhill on my bike with no helmet on, riding horses with no saddle and only binder twine for reins... it’s amazing I am alive today.

 

 

Seriously, I can never figure out how I survived childhood and young adult hood. 

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     Here's a link to seven cases in Florida. Just to reiterate what I said earlier. You can't control what risks people choose to take, but when a crime occurs, the punishment has to be commensurate.  Often it isn't. 

 

   The first case in the link is a 3 year old who had gotten a hold of her fathers gun multiple times before finally killing herself. The father got probation. The fourth case has the old "losing the child is punishment enough" line and no charges. 

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1 minute ago, Steeleballz said:

 

     Here's a link to seven cases in Florida. Just to reiterate what I said earlier. You can't control what risks people choose to take, but when a crime occurs, the punishment has to be commensurate.  Often it isn't. 

 

   The first case in the link is a 3 year old who had gotten a hold of her fathers gun multiple times before finally killing herself. The father got probation. The fourth case has the old "losing the child is punishment enough" line and no charges. 

That is heart wrenching.

 

People don't take Parenthood seriously enough. It sickens me sometimes.

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8 minutes ago, bcking said:

That is heart wrenching.

 

People don't take Parenthood seriously enough. It sickens me sometimes.

 

   I'm sympathetic to all these people losing their kids. I just don't see leaving a gun lying around where a child can get a hold of it as something that should ever be considered an accident. The outcome should be something the average person can anticipate, and I can't see the logic in not charging people when this happens. 

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3 hours ago, refugee said:

Seriously, I can never figure out how I survived childhood and young adult hood. 

No doubt.  I can remember sitting in the footwell of my parent’s car as a toddler back in the 70s with my mother holding my infant brother and all my other brothers and sisters in the back seat or rear (station wagon) and no one wearing seatbelts, we played in parks with what would now be considered dangerous playground equipment, and as five year olds walked home from kindergarten 10 blocks by ourselves, not to mention no bike helmets.  It is amazing that any children in my age range survived.

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3 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   I'm sympathetic to all these people losing their kids. I just don't see leaving a gun lying around where a child can get a hold of it as something that should ever be considered an accident. The outcome should be something the average person can anticipate, and I can't see the logic in not charging people when this happens. 

Every one of those cases should have ended with a stint in prison for the parent(s).  

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1 minute ago, Satisfied said:

Every one of those cases should have ended with a stint in prison for the parent(s).  

 

  I do recall that 4th case, they determined that a firearm in a car's glove box was considered secure. I would disagree with that. It's better to have it in the glove box than lying around, but I think any 3 year old can open a glove box given enough time. It's what they do. If there's a knob, button or hole, they will mess with it until they get inside.

 

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If I were to carry concealed in a vehicle with a young child, the gun would be on my person.  But perhaps that's just me.

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12 hours ago, Satisfied said:

If I were to carry concealed in a vehicle with a young child, the gun would be on my person.  But perhaps that's just me.

I've seen cases of children pulling guns from parents. The ones that come to mind are gun in a purse. I remember a case in a grocery store or something. Kid and purse both on the cart, kid pulls out gun and I believe killed the mom.

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4 hours ago, bcking said:

I've seen cases of children pulling guns from parents. The ones that come to mind are gun in a purse. I remember a case in a grocery store or something. Kid and purse both on the cart, kid pulls out gun and I believe killed the mom.

If a kid tried to pull my gun from me, said kid would find him/herself on the floor, post haste.  A valuable lesson would be ingrained in them for life, I promise.

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32 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

If a kid tried to pull my gun from me, said kid would find him/herself on the floor, post haste.  A valuable lesson would be ingrained in them for life, I promise.

If your kid pulled your gun out of a bag?

 

Whose fault is it there? The child, or the person who keeps their gun in a handbag?

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50 minutes ago, bcking said:

If your kid pulled your gun out of a bag?

 

Whose fault is it there? The child, or the person who keeps their gun in a handbag?

Mine is in a holster, and cannot be easily pulled.  Different than a handbag.

 

It's harder to answer when considering say a purse.  Was it laying there open?  Did the kid unfasten it and get the gun?  BLUF (in my opinion, not any law I am aware of), if a person carries a concealed weapon, it is on them to prevent others gaining access to it.

 

Leave your weapon in a locked car, and it gets stolen, the blame is on the owner, not the crook.