Saudi won't give police certificate

[Sandy05 24]

Hey guys, just wondering if anyone has run into this problem before. My fiance is a Jordanian national, living in Jordan, with an active residency in Saudi Arabia. His interview for the K1 is in two weeks. We have tried to no avail to get the required police certificate from Saudi but they have given us a hard time. At first the Saudi embassy told us they do not give this document out. We checked with the US embassy and they told us that he does need it because his resident status there is still active. We went back and forth with the Saudi embassy and even showed them the email from the US embassy. We were told they want an official letter from the US embassy requesting it before they will give us the police certificate. We again tried contacting the US embassy and have yet to hear back. Interview date is approaching, I can't push back the interview as the NOA2 expires early January and the next available date for an interview is in February. I called the customer service number to try to get some help with no luck. The lady told me to wait until I hear back via email. Has anyone gone to the interview without one of the required documents? Will this cause the visa to get denied? We have a couple of days left before we have to send in his packet to the US embassy. What should we do?

 

 

 

 

 

[payxibka 10,045]

How can you be a resident of two countries?

 

According to the DOS, police clearances are unavailable for third country nationals who no longer reside in the kingdom.   They are also unavailable for third country nationals who are not legal residents 

Edited December 4, 2018 by payxibka

[Sandy05 24]

3 minutes ago, payxibka said:

How can you be a resident of two countries?

 

According to the DOS, police clearances are unavailable for third country nationals who no longer reside in the kingdom.   They are also unavailable for third country nationals who are not legal residents 

He has what is called an "iqameh" which translates to "legal stay" in Saudi. His father works there but his family also has a home in Jordan so they go back and forth usually staying in Jordan in the summers and in Saudi the rest of the year. A lot of people in Jordan have resident status in Saudi as well if their families work there and live there most of the time. So technically he is still considered to reside in the kingdom, because his resident status is still active even though he lives in Jordan most of the year and only goes to Saudi to visit his parents. 

[payxibka 10,045]

2 minutes ago, Sandy05 said:

He has what is called an "iqameh" which translates to "legal stay" in Saudi. His father works there but his family also has a home in Jordan so they go back and forth usually staying in Jordan in the summers and in Saudi the rest of the year. A lot of people in Jordan have resident status in Saudi as well if their families work there and live there most of the time. So technically he is still considered to reside in the kingdom, because his resident status is still active even though he lives in Jordan most of the year and only goes to Saudi to visit his parents. 

You are over thinking.   Just because he has a residency card doesn't mean he has a residence in the kingdom, his residence is in Jordan.   By your own explanation he does not.   The us embassy will likely not give you the letter because they are not doing the interview 

 

In the end, it is unavailable to him and therefore it is not required for his interview in Jordan 

[Sandy05 24]

1 minute ago, payxibka said:

You are over thinking.   Just because he has a residency card doesn't mean he has a residence in the kingdom, his residence is in Jordan.   By your own explanation he does not.   The us embassy will likely not give you the letter because they are not doing the interview 

 

In the end, it is unavailable to him and therefore it is not required for his interview in Jordan 

Im sorry but we are very confused. We originally thought the same as you, that he does not need a police certificate for the same reasons you gave. But the US embassy in Jordan, the one who will be doing the visa interview, told us that he does need it. We don't know what to do. The US embassy says yes, because the resident status is active and he lived there when he was younger, he is required to provide it. The Saudi embassy says no, they will not give it without a letter requesting it. My main concern, can he go to the interview without it? What will happen? Will they waive the requirement or can they deny the visa based on the missing paper?

[payxibka 10,045]

1 minute ago, Sandy05 said:

Im sorry but we are very confused. We originally thought the same as you, that he does not need a police certificate for the same reasons you gave. But the US embassy in Jordan, the one who will be doing the visa interview, told us that he does need it. We don't know what to do. The US embassy says yes, because the resident status is active and he lived there when he was younger, he is required to provide it. The Saudi embassy says no, they will not give it without a letter requesting it. My main concern, can he go to the interview without it? What will happen? Will they waive the requirement or can they deny the visa based on the missing paper?

If it is truly required they will issue a 221g requesting it

[HU87 9]

27 minutes ago, Sandy05 said:

At first the Saudi embassy told us they do not give this document out.

Only the Crime Branch Division Police Station in the respective Saudi district will issue it after the appropriate steps are taken: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/Visa-Reciprocity-and-Civil-Documents-by-Country/SaudiArabia.html

[Sandy05 24]

6 minutes ago, HU87 said:

Only the Crime Branch Division Police Station in the respective Saudi district will issue it after the appropriate steps are taken: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/Visa-Reciprocity-and-Civil-Documents-by-Country/SaudiArabia.html

We spoke to them as well. They require a letter from the US embassy, which is where the problem started as the US embassy will not give us this letter requesting the form. We are stuck in the middle. 

[payxibka 10,045]

5 minutes ago, Sandy05 said:

We spoke to them as well. They require a letter from the US embassy, which is where the problem started as the US embassy will not give us this letter requesting the form. We are stuck in the middle. 

Do you have documentation of the refusal?  If so, this would be good ammunition to get it waived 

[Sandy05 24]

1 minute ago, payxibka said:

Do you have documentation of the refusal?  If so, this would be good ammunition to get it waived 

No, unfortunately it was said to my fiance when he spoke to them. But I emailed the support us travel service that is supposed to have the embassy respond to me so maybe I can get it in writing. Thank you for the idea. If they put it in writing I'll have my fiance print it out and bring it with him to his interview as proof. 

[payxibka 10,045]

1 minute ago, Sandy05 said:

No, unfortunately it was said to my fiance when he spoke to them. But I emailed the support us travel service that is supposed to have the embassy respond to me so maybe I can get it in writing. Thank you for the idea. If they put it in writing I'll have my fiance print it out and bring it with him to his interview as proof. 

Here's the rub.  According to the website,   The letter for the PC needs to come from the embassy in Saudi .  Is this who gave you the refusal?

[Sandy05 24]

9 minutes ago, payxibka said:

Here's the rub.  According to the website,   The letter for the PC needs to come from the embassy in Saudi .  Is this who gave you the refusal?

No, the US embassy in Jordan originally did. His father is in Saudi and asked the Crime branch police department that issues it. They said since he is not currently in Saudi and the interview is in Jordan they want it from the US embassy where the interview will be which is the one in Jordan. It's a total catch-22. Half the people we talk to don't seem to know their own rules that are posted on their websites.. Im so frustrated   

Edited December 4, 2018 by Sandy05
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[payxibka 10,045]

3 minutes ago, Sandy05 said:

No, the US embassy in Jordan originally did. His father is in Saudi and asked the Crime branch police department that issues it. They said since he is not currently in Saudi and the interview is in Jordan they want it from the US embassy where the interview will be which is the one in Jordan. It's a total catch-22. Half the people we talk to don't seem to know their own rules that are posted on their websites.. Im so frustrated   

Good luck as I have exhausted my ideas

[Sandy05 24]

3 minutes ago, payxibka said:

Good luck as I have exhausted my ideas

Thank you for trying. We appreciate it.

[Greenbaum 12,259]

Why can't the P3 letter where it states the requirement of a police certificate is needed for the interview. It's normally official as it contains the embassy seal. Thoughts?

Edited December 5, 2018 by Greenbaum