Mexicans fear U.S. immigration plan

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Illegal immigration is not about race. But race is brought up by liberals because they realize there is no other defense for illegal immigration. They're just grasping at straws.

AFAIK, illegal immigration is not a liberal/conservative issue. Right on VJ we have lots of people who hold all sorts of opinions. ET-US is very anti illegal immigration and so is Homesick American. Neither are what I would call "conservatives," if that word means anything in America today.

The bad guy isn't always "the liberals," and Americans don't think along those lines, although I'm sure that would be convenient.

I feel that more liberals support illegal immigration than conservatives. If I weren't so lazy I would start a poll here.

What about beer? That'd be a hard one, wouldn't it.

mmmm beer

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

A point system that rewards degrees and skills will mean a lot more immigrants from India.

I have a lot of friends and family back in India with degrees and skills who refuse to participate in the H1B program (it is exploitative) who I'd like to see here with Green Cards. I've got no problems with this.

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Liberals? THIS IS BUSH'S PLAN. B-U-S-H. Yes, it (unfortunately) has bipartisan support, but this is straight from BushCo.

Poor baby! Quite frankly I don't care what Mexico thinks.

Just thik back to a mopnth or 2 ago when the Republicans were decrying the use of alternative fuels because it raised the price of tortillas in Mexico Thats right - we should buy petroleum from the Middle East instead of paying our own farmers because it makes tortillas too expensive in Mexico. Gotta love it.

There is the argument that illegal immigrants deserve opportunity to feed their families, too. They are in a bad situation and it is natural to expect them to do whatever it takes to feed their families. In some ways, it is a decent argument. It is also worth noting that when there is a steep income gradient then the flow of people is hard to stop.

HOWEVER....

This is the major flaw in the Guest Worker Program and the arguments for illegal immigration supporting the economy.

Jobs are getting deported all over the place because the US has minimum wage laws, workplace safety laws child labor laws, and many other things in place - things that American Citizens worked long and hard for, got killed over. Most other plaes in the world do not have these laws, and some other places, like Columbia, have worker populations who are violently suppressed into working for low wages.

While I am a huge supporter of free trade, having free trade with countries that have de facto slave labor undermines everything America stands for. We cannot compete with slaves, unless we ourselves become slaves. have free trade with countries that have similar laws as ourselves. FAIR trade, not FREE trade. We don't want to give away our country. We want to trade equally.

Having a system that depends on illegal immigrant labor - like our own - does just that. It competes with American jobs and undermine our laws. This is not just some philosophical "Rule of Law" thing. These are the very laws that we DEMANDED not so long ago. Workplace safety laws.

I am all in favor of immigration. My family were mostly Irish immigrants a couple hundred years ago. Even the Native Americans migrated here at some point. None of this is good for anyone else in the long run, either. If Mexico adopted workplace safety laws do you think Mexicans would be happy about it? Damn right. We ought to use trade with the US as a carrot to encourage a LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.

Instead of dragging ourselves down, why don't we pull everyone else up?

Edited May 19, 2007 by Portlander

[Ban Hammer 13,551]

Mexicans fear U.S. immigration plan........

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Mexicans fear U.S. immigration plan........

lol

[one...two...tree 2,762]

A point system that rewards degrees and skills will mean a lot more immigrants from India.

I have a lot of friends and family back in India with degrees and skills who refuse to participate in the H1B program (it is exploitative) who I'd like to see here with Green Cards. I've got no problems with this.

Imagine if we were being flooded with college graduates from Mexico. I see undocumented, unskilled workers a separate issue from immigration reform in general. It's being treated as a security issue instead of an economic one.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

A point system that rewards degrees and skills will mean a lot more immigrants from India.

I have a lot of friends and family back in India with degrees and skills who refuse to participate in the H1B program (it is exploitative) who I'd like to see here with Green Cards. I've got no problems with this.

Imagine if we were being flooded with college graduates from Mexico. I see undocumented, unskilled workers a separate issue from immigration reform in general. It's being treated as a security issue instead of an economic one.

A point based immigration system that rewarded people based on degrees and skills would probably break down along the same lines as the current H1B program, in which Indians get the overwhelming plurality of visas.

I do not have a problem with that.

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Not wanting illegal immigrants doesnt make anyone racist... the anger comes from the shite we've all been through to do it legally while johnny illegal just jumps the border or never leaves and expects the same, or as close to as possible, options and treatment.

Gotta love how this 'race card' bullcrap is banded about so often. Save your rage.

I would agree with you if most illegal immigrants were people who bypassed family immigration rules to be with their spouses/boyfriends/girlfriends instead of following the legal process. Then it would seem totally unfair for those people to be rewarded.

In real life, the situations are completely incomparable. It makes that argument kind of childish, IMO.

You're right, they are incomparable.

Girona's son is facing deportation because USCIS didn't freeze his age at the time of application. Now with this new proposed bill, he would face a LIFETIME ban...

Shona is facing deportation because her sponsor was physically abusive...now she's separated/divorced...no EAD afaik, and fighting to stay here....

Mae Jim right now is facing deportation because her husband died shortly after she arrived....

As opposed to tresspassers who come in with no authorization, commit identity fraud, live and work illegally...

you're absolutely right, Alex...they are incomparable. And the government has gone insane.

I think the two issues are separate. Legal immigration is RIDICULOUS. The waits, situations like Girona's and Shona's and other aspects are completely unfair. I don't feel illegal immigrants are the cause or in any way related to those problems, but yes, they are ludicrous and USCIS should be ashamed.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

The waits, situations like Girona's and Shona's and other aspects are completely unfair. I don't feel illegal immigrants are the cause or in any way related to those problems, but yes, they are ludicrous and USCIS should be ashamed.

First of all, why blame USCIS? They don't get to decide their own funding. If they had all the money and manpower they needed, they could chug through their caseload in no time.

Secondly, illegal immigrants who are completely outside of the system do not exert a 'cost' on USCIS/ICE/etc. But those who are (example, overstays) do. And they do contribute to the problem.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

A point system that rewards degrees and skills will mean a lot more immigrants from India.

I have a lot of friends and family back in India with degrees and skills who refuse to participate in the H1B program (it is exploitative) who I'd like to see here with Green Cards. I've got no problems with this.

Imagine if we were being flooded with college graduates from Mexico. I see undocumented, unskilled workers a separate issue from immigration reform in general. It's being treated as a security issue instead of an economic one.

A point based immigration system that rewarded people based on degrees and skills would probably break down along the same lines as the current H1B program, in which Indians get the overwhelming plurality of visas.

I do not have a problem with that.

I don't really either, however, it doesn't really address the influx of unskilled laborers immigrating from Mexico, which is why, understandably, Mexican immigrants don't agree with this proposal. And the only way I see us addressing that issue is with trade reform. Nothing short of that will stop them from coming here.

[Alex+R 0]

The waits, situations like Girona's and Shona's and other aspects are completely unfair. I don't feel illegal immigrants are the cause or in any way related to those problems, but yes, they are ludicrous and USCIS should be ashamed.

First of all, why blame USCIS? They don't get to decide their own funding. If they had all the money and manpower they needed, they could chug through their caseload in no time.

Secondly, illegal immigrants who are completely outside of the system do not exert a 'cost' on USCIS/ICE/etc. But those who are (example, overstays) do. And they do contribute to the problem.

Ok, not USCIS. The whole government. Better?

At least 2/3 of immigrants are outside the system. And the Mexicans, who are the bug up most people's generalization-loving arses, seem to fall into that category. As for ones inside the system, what is USCIS doing about it?

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I think the two issues are separate. Legal immigration is RIDICULOUS. The waits, situations like Girona's and Shona's and other aspects are completely unfair. I don't feel illegal immigrants are the cause or in any way related to those problems, but yes, they are ludicrous and USCIS should be ashamed.

But they're not separate. It's a perfect example of pandering to the illegals...rights which legal citizens do not have. You lie on your AOS forms, Alex...and see how fast they ship Rey outta here. USCIS doesn't give a sh!t about any of us with legal immigrations pending, yet it's all hearts and flowers about the 'plight' of the illegal. It's total BS.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I don't really either, however, it doesn't really address the influx of unskilled laborers immigrating from Mexico, which is why, understandably, Mexican immigrants don't agree with this proposal. And the only way I see us addressing that issue is with trade reform. Nothing short of that will stop them from coming here.

We should make a deal with Mexico. For every two hard-working but unskilled worker we take in from Mexico, they have to take one of our many useless bums and social rejects.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I don't really either, however, it doesn't really address the influx of unskilled laborers immigrating from Mexico, which is why, understandably, Mexican immigrants don't agree with this proposal. And the only way I see us addressing that issue is with trade reform. Nothing short of that will stop them from coming here.

We should make a deal with Mexico. For every two hard-working but unskilled worker we take in from Mexico, they have to take one of our many useless bums and social rejects.

:lol: The BEST proposal yet!

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I don't really either, however, it doesn't really address the influx of unskilled laborers immigrating from Mexico, which is why, understandably, Mexican immigrants don't agree with this proposal. And the only way I see us addressing that issue is with trade reform. Nothing short of that will stop them from coming here.

We should make a deal with Mexico. For every two hard-working but unskilled worker we take in from Mexico, they have to take one of our many useless bums and social rejects.

I actually like it! :lol: