RFE Cirumcstances of meeting

[payxibka 10,047]

1 minute ago, HP+IC said:

But every now and then they are RFE'ing the Petitioner regarding Beneficiary's circumstances (like foreign divorce decrees etc). This doesn't work one way where the relationship is evaluated. That said, I still believe that at USCIS stage they seem more concerned with general eligibility and the Petitioner. 

Of course it can be about the beneficiary's eligibility but the rfe is sent only to the petitionner 

[Calicolom 266]

18 hours ago, Hughlyn said:

Well after speaking to a lawyer, i was informed that legally they have no ground to deny the petition unless I submitted the petition while I was still married. That is not the case. The official divorce date was FEB 8th, 2018. The petition was not submitted until APRIL 26th, 2018. That is good news. Additionally, the EX moved out before I even met Lyn online.

You could sue USCIS and see where it gets you.

[fluffykim 333]

I am not sure of that comments validity (worse if woman is older),  but i did read up that if its outside of social norms for your country it COULD be questioned (age gap) but certainly not a factor in and of itself as a denial

Edited November 8, 2018 by fluffykim

[Calicolom 266]

6 hours ago, ThomasNC1988 said:

I don't understand why people don't get the difference of proving you met in person and explaining your relationship. In the box that asks to explain how you met in person you should simply put we met in such and such a place on such and such dates see attached tickets or receipts or whatever. If you want to front load relationship information which is necessary online in some circumstances do that separately but for the vast majority one sentence on how you met in person is all that you should be doing.

Answer the question sir, the judge sayed. Facts only.

[ThomasNC1988 762]

27 minutes ago, fluffykim said:

I am not sure of that comments validity (worse if woman is older),  but i did read up that if its outside of social norms for your country it COULD be questioned (age gap) but certainly not a factor in and of itself as a denial

I think it could have some validity just because it's not the norm in America or anywhere else that I am aware of for men to marry much older women and when the are judging relationships they are looking for things that don't fit the norm. However I agree 100 percent that it matters greatly what embassy you are dealing with when it comes to age gap as well as almost every other issue.

[Megan&Daniel 117]

It took 8 years for my ex to sign divorce papers. He was purposely trying to torture me. We separated June of 2008. I met Dan Dec 19th 2105. My divorce was finalized Aug 16th 2016. I did not get an RFE for this and sorry to hear that you did. I would submit info that states when you separated, which should already be in your divorce decree. Good Luck!

[Hughlyn 12]

28 minutes ago, Megan&Daniel said:

It took 8 years for my ex to sign divorce papers. He was purposely trying to torture me. We separated June of 2008. I met Dan Dec 19th 2105. My divorce was finalized Aug 16th 2016. I did not get an RFE for this and sorry to hear that you did. I would submit info that states when you separated, which should already be in your divorce decree. Good Luck!

My decree does not state when we separated just that we were divorced on this day etc. She moved out and left April 2017 which will be a deceleration response in my RFE. My Ex knows about my new fiance and is not happy but she has always been a drama queen which is one of the reason we ended out relationship. I almost would want the embassy to call her but then again who knows what she would lie about lol.

[Hughlyn 12]

1 hour ago, ThomasNC1988 said:

I think it could have some validity just because it's not the norm in America or anywhere else that I am aware of for men to marry much older women and when the are judging relationships they are looking for things that don't fit the norm. However I agree 100 percent that it matters greatly what embassy you are dealing with when it comes to age gap as well as almost every other issue.

Age gaps was never a reason for a denial that I have seen. Has anyone watched 90 day finance ? 19 her (Philippines) and he as 54+.

[payxibka 10,047]

7 minutes ago, Hughlyn said:

Age gaps was never a reason for a denial that I have seen. Has anyone watched 90 day finance ? 19 her (Philippines) and he as 54+.

Correct, Not in the Philippines but not every embassy is Manila 

[ThomasNC1988 762]

25 minutes ago, Hughlyn said:

Age gaps was never a reason for a denial that I have seen. Has anyone watched 90 day finance ? 19 her (Philippines) and he as 54+.

I wouldn't plan my strategy based on a reality show. Nobody said its a disqualifier but check in the Morocco section to see how it works out.

[N-o-l-a 7,168]

9 hours ago, brandonflude1 said:

 

edit: This also says he visited on Dec 4th to Dec 21st of 2018. Unless you're a time traveller, this hasn't happened yet lol - this may be a reason you were flagged.

 

That was my first thought upon seeing what was written.  Also not specified was which social media site, which is an important detail for IMBRA reasons.

 

The whole thing seems easily avoidable by just writing, We began talking on Facebook on *date* and we met in person on *date* (with proof of in person meeting attached).

[wxman22 109]

12 hours ago, ThomasNC1988 said:

I don't understand why people don't get the difference of proving you met in person and explaining your relationship. In the box that asks to explain how you met in person you should simply put we met in such and such a place on such and such dates see attached tickets or receipts or whatever. If you want to front load relationship information which is necessary online in some circumstances do that separately but for the vast majority one sentence on how you met in person is all that you should be doing.

I actually think this problem and RFE for the OP started solely because initially on the 129F, he equated meeting on-line with meeting in-person. Since that's the signed form, (ignore the attachments) it wasn't clear what he was attesting to. 

While people think FB is real life, it really isn't. 

So the RFE is to document the real meetings, the physical meetings, separate from the on-line world.

[geowrian 22,338]

6 hours ago, Hughlyn said:

Age gaps was never a reason for a denial that I have seen. Has anyone watched 90 day finance ? 19 her (Philippines) and he as 54+.

1) That show is trash TV. There's nothing wrong with watching some trash TV (my wife and I do!), but don't take any immigration advice or base any immigration decisions on that show. I've seen more critical mistakes there than I can count on my fingers and toes.

 

2) Age gaps are part of a consideration if they are outside the cultural norms. They are not a basis for refusal, but can play a role in one.

The Philippines does not care much (if at all) about age gaps. Even 20, 30, or larger year age gaps are just a personal decision with their own struggles, but not commonly fraudulent.

On the opposite spectrum, Morocco looks at an age gap with the woman being older and/or not a common child-birthing age very differently. It isn't a basis for denial still, but expect very heavy scrutiny.

[Carpe Vinum 2,330]

Passport stamps that correlate to your boarding passes and visits makes things much easier.

[debbiedoo 2,339]

19 hours ago, Hughlyn said:

Age gaps was never a reason for a denial that I have seen. Has anyone watched 90 day finance ? 19 her (Philippines) and he as 54+.

its trash tv. means nothing. and if youre referring to the current 19 year old on the show, her jerk fiance is 33 or 34. not 54.

 

its fine for entertainment purposes but not for actual advice or guidance.

 

i shamefully admit that show is our one true guilty tv pleasure. and we ridicule them the whole time.  LOL