N400 5 years based. It's a special case! I need help!

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

1 hour ago, Calicolom said:

I would say a lot of posters are wrong, saying what happened in other countries does not mater on the N-400. My wife just went for N-400, the interviewer was very friendly but very firm. We work in Jails and prisons as part of our contracting business. I told her there is no need to disclose our working in Jails and prisons. At the interview she was asked, why she did not disclose that she had been to the local jail. They knew of these visits, every time we work there, they scan her drivers license, and this information is entered into FBI database. Every police arrest goes into the FbI database. She had to explain that I had told her, it was for work, and was not necessary to disclose on the N-400. If people think it is not necessary, to tell what happens to you in other countries, and later they find out, you citizenship will be taken away. We have so called paper exchange with most western countries. They probably already know what happened in GB since there was an arrest. N-400 is not the end of everything, and everything is forgiven. Please do not think, becoming citizen means what happen anywhere else, is irrelevant and forgiven. Just disclose everything and let the chips fall where they may. This is the cases we get to hear in the news, the poor person lieved her for 30 years and now he gets deported. Don't be that poor person.  

You were wrong to tell her working in jails and prisons does not matter, it is a specific question on the n400 asking if you have EVER worked in one. It is not restricted to the US, you gave her totally the wrong advice. It’s nothing to do about country and everything to do with you told her to give a false answer!!

 

by contrast the questions about immigration pertain to the US only. The question about detained is a “have you EVER” one, which OP already indicated he would answer yes to. The circumstances of that detention are not serious for US naturalization purposes.

Edited October 7, 2018 by SusieQQQ

[geowrian 22,337]

2 hours ago, Calicolom said:

I would say a lot of posters are wrong, saying what happened in other countries does not mater on the N-400. My wife just went for N-400, the interviewer was very friendly but very firm. We work in Jails and prisons as part of our contracting business. I told her there is no need to disclose our working in Jails and prisons. At the interview she was asked, why she did not disclose that she had been to the local jail. They knew of these visits, every time we work there, they scan her drivers license, and this information is entered into FBI database. Every police arrest goes into the FbI database. She had to explain that I had told her, it was for work, and was not necessary to disclose on the N-400. If people think it is not necessary, to tell what happens to you in other countries, and later they find out, you citizenship will be taken away. We have so called paper exchange with most western countries. They probably already know what happened in GB since there was an arrest. N-400 is not the end of everything, and everything is forgiven. Please do not think, becoming citizen means what happen anywhere else, is irrelevant and forgiven. Just disclose everything and let the chips fall where they may. This is the cases we get to hear in the news, the poor person lieved her for 30 years and now he gets deported. Don't be that poor person.  

The issue in her case was that she did not disclose her full employment history, which is explicitly asked on the N-400. That's much different than the OP's case.

Edited October 7, 2018 by geowrian

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

4 minutes ago, geowrian said:

The issue in her case was that she did not disclose her full employment history, which is explicitly asked on the N-400. That's much different than the OP's case.

It’s not just employment history, It’s a very direct question-.Page 13, question 16 specifically asks ..

 

”Were you EVER a worker, volunteer, or soldier, or did you otherwise EVER serve in any of the following:
A. Prison or jail? ....”

 

https://www.uscis.gov/system/files_force/files/form/n-400.pdf?download=1

 

(with the question worded that way, i don’t see how Calicolom thought the answer should be “no”.)

[geowrian 22,337]

6 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

It’s not just employment history, It’s a very direct question-.Page 13, question 16 specifically asks ..

 

”Were you EVER a worker, volunteer, or soldier, or did you otherwise EVER serve in any of the following:
A. Prison or jail? ....”

 

https://www.uscis.gov/system/files_force/files/form/n-400.pdf?download=1

 

(with the question worded that way, i don’t see how Calicolom thought the answer should be “no”.)

Good point...double strike.

[EM_Vandaveer 2,408]

5 hours ago, Calicolom said:

I would say a lot of posters are wrong, saying what happened in other countries does not mater on the N-400. My wife just went for N-400, the interviewer was very friendly but very firm. We work in Jails and prisons as part of our contracting business. I told her there is no need to disclose our working in Jails and prisons. At the interview she was asked, why she did not disclose that she had been to the local jail. They knew of these visits, every time we work there, they scan her drivers license, and this information is entered into FBI database. Every police arrest goes into the FbI database. She had to explain that I had told her, it was for work, and was not necessary to disclose on the N-400. If people think it is not necessary, to tell what happens to you in other countries, and later they find out, you citizenship will be taken away. We have so called paper exchange with most western countries. They probably already know what happened in GB since there was an arrest. N-400 is not the end of everything, and everything is forgiven. Please do not think, becoming citizen means what happen anywhere else, is irrelevant and forgiven. Just disclose everything and let the chips fall where they may. This is the cases we get to hear in the news, the poor person lieved her for 30 years and now he gets deported. Don't be that poor person.  

Completely wrong. Indeed immigration violations in other countries or denied entries to other countries do NOT concern USCIS. If they did, they'd ask questions about them on the forms, like they do about being a terrorist, Communist, Nazi, prostitute or "habitual drunkard" or, of course, in the case of any criminal history one may have. USCIS is interested in those issues, not in being denied entry to another country.

 

Or, like in the quoted case, they specifically ask if one ever worked in a prison or similar. If one did, lying about it on the form is obviously the wrong course of action. Same with having served in the military or having received weapons training. One won't get refused for having done so. (Same with having worked in a prison, by itself, it's NOT a reason for denial.)  Lying about it CAN cause problems.

Edited October 8, 2018 by EM_Vandaveer