Is it true? Can't refuse a visa for the same reason the second time?

[pushbrk 12,883]

11 minutes ago, Love To Teach said:

I disagree, but then again I am NOT an expert like some of you. At 67, I think I have had a few experiences. Yes, people will lie under certain situations, but that doesn't mean they will lie about other things. Everyone on the planet has had occasion to lie. I'm sure you have never lied in your life, right? So using your theory, anyone who lies once will lie about other things. Well, that includes you also, correct? Unless you have never lied in your entire life.  

I said "a sufficiently motivated person".  We are not talking about me.

[TBoneTX 45,289]

No need to bicker personally, folks; read statements here as objectively as possible, please.

[Chris & Pam 11]

1 minute ago, TBoneTX said:

No need to bicker personally, folks; read statements here as objectively as possible, please.

Hear, hear.

 

Let's try to take the high road.

 

While I'm not well versed in the forums here, I don't think anyone who asks for input in a situation such as this, would need to be dumped on, on top of all the (apparent) grief they've already endured.

 

To the OP:  I would encourage you to do your best to sift the wheat from the chaff.  I'm terribly sorry for the mess you're going through.  I know going through the normal process is trying enough.

I've had good experiences with "pushbrk" and "TBoneTX" in the two years I've been perusing the forums.  They seem to know their stuff.

You have my deepest sympathies, and my wife and I will keep you in our prayers.

[EM_Vandaveer 2,408]

I feel for you. The big mistake (apart from giving in to pressure at the interview) was to not wait it out & refute the NOIR but instead file a new petition. Had you refuted the NOIR & had USCIS reaffirmed your old petition, the Consulate could not refuse you with the already refuted reason. But you didn't. So they CAN use that reason to refuse the visa.

Edited October 7, 2018 by EM_Vandaveer

[JFH 12,190]

15 hours ago, Love To Teach said:

So many people get their visas with felony arrests, are in prison, have no money to support the person, and on and on.

 

Not this again. As I said before when you brought this up - YOUR behavior as the USC is largely irrelevant. There are only a handful of situations that would prevent a USC from petitioning. Yes, my husband has a felony and yes, he’s served time in prison and yes, we had to use a joint sponsor. So what? All of those are permitted. I understand you’re bitter because other people, whom you consider less deserving, have been able to bring their spouses here successfully but you are looking at things that are irrelevant to your case. Focus on your case and stop fretting about other people’s cases. 

5 hours ago, pushbrk said:

Then you don't need our opinions.  Follow the lawyers' advice.

Thank you - I was about to say the same. Seems odd that someone paying for 2 lawyers would seek answers on a free-for-all forum, especially about something so unusual and complex.

4 hours ago, Love To Teach said:

Everyone on the planet has had occasion to lie. 

You’ve answered your own question. 

 

From in the start I’ve always thought there is more to this than is being revealed here. There have been many posters who have successfully gone through the embassy in Pakistan who have reported nothing of this nature. In particular the poster @Kastrs has always been very helpful to people going through Islamabad and their embassy review is here https://www.visajourney.com/timeline/profile.php?id=151335 

 

If your husband was treated as badly as you claim (and I wasn’t there so I am reserving judgement), it would appear that this is not normal and there must be a reason why he was singled out like this. 

Edited October 7, 2018 by JFH

[Boiler 45,516]

My recollection is that the OP was not at the interview.

[Ahmed&Freda 628]

There are many successful visas from Pakistan but one common denominator.  Male beneficiary were not previously DIVORCED.   Unfortunately way too many men have attempted to fraud the embassy by not disclosing a first marriage, faking documents or supplying the wrong type.   It has become an epidemic.   

 

My husband was treated similarly the fact that his ex-wife CNIC card still being linked to his name sent them on a frenzy.   So I understand the reason behind why they acted the way they did but it was something not in his control.   He can't update someone else's card, it was not a requirement and holds no legal stance.   It was very easy to rebut in our NOIR because of those reasons in addition my husband made sure her brother had the ex wife update the card so we were able to show proof of this as well.   

 

In some of the providences in Pakistan births, marriages and divorces are not even registered and because of the difficulties men have had getting a visa after being divorced I have now seen couples who are not disclosing the prior marriage to begin with.  I met a lady from this site who's husbands first marriage and children are not registered so the attorney decided NOT to disclose them on the I130.   I'm curious to see how this pans out. 

 

Case in point these types of interviews DO happen at the embassy these men must stay strong.  In addition anyone going through this embassy must think outside the box and go above and beyond the requirements of the visa.   

 

Debbie keep your head up.  Please make sure you have an attorney on call if you receive a denial on this second petition be sure to have your appeal ready.  Once you overcome the signature then the embassy will have to find another reason to refuse his visa.

[Boiler 45,516]

13 minutes ago, Ahmed&Freda said:

There are many successful visas from Pakistan but one common denominator.  Male beneficiary were not previously DIVORCED.   Unfortunately way too many men have attempted to fraud the embassy by not disclosing a first marriage, faking documents or supplying the wrong type.   It has become an epidemic.   

 

My husband was treated similarly the fact that his ex-wife CNIC card still being linked to his name sent them on a frenzy.   So I understand the reason behind why they acted the way they did but it was something not in his control.   He can't update someone else's card, it was not a requirement and holds no legal stance.   It was very easy to rebut in our NOIR because of those reasons in addition my husband made sure her brother had the ex wife update the card so we were able to show proof of this as well.   

 

In some of the provinces in Pakistan births, marriages and divorces are not even registered and because of the difficulties men have had getting a visa after being divorced I have now seen couples who are not disclosing the prior marriage to begin with.  I met a lady from this site who's husbands first marriage and children are not registered so the attorney decided NOT to disclose them on the I130.   I'm curious to see how this pans out. 

 

Case in point these types of interviews DO happen at the embassy these men must stay strong.  In addition anyone going through this embassy must think outside the box and go above and beyond the requirements of the visa.   

 

Debbie keep your head up.  Please make sure you have an attorney on call if you receive a denial on this second petition be sure to have your appeal ready.  Once you overcome the signature then the embassy will have to find another reason to refuse his visa.

So am I!

 

Is this something that has been discussed on VJ or something you were told privately.

[Ahmed&Freda 628]

6 minutes ago, Boiler said:

So am I!

 

Is this something that has been discussed on VJ or something you were told privately.

Private message  

[Boiler 45,516]

We obviously they need a new Lawyer and the current one needs to be reported.

[Love To Teach 161]

Thanks for the support, Freda! You know the truth and how people have been treated because your husband endured some stuff himself. There have been plenty of people who have been treated horribly at the Pakistan embassy. Maybe they just don't say it on here because of the way they are treated by some of these really "supportive" folks. I'm finished arguing with some of the snotty people on this site who know it all, tell it all, and are holier than thou. Just so you all know, there is nothing hidden about what happened at that embassy, there is nothing we are not telling, and there was no reason for that to have happened. Do you think I would even tell this story if it wasn't true? Nobody could even make this stuff up. With that said, I won't be posting any more on here.

Edited October 7, 2018 by Love To Teach

[Love To Teach 161]

On 10/7/2018 at 4:19 AM, EM_Vandaveer said:

I feel for you. The big mistake (apart from giving in to pressure at the interview) was to not wait it out & refute the NOIR but instead file a new petition. Had you refuted the NOIR & had USCIS reaffirmed your old petition, the Consulate could not refuse you with the already refuted reason. But you didn't. So they CAN use that reason to refuse the visa.

Thanks for the kindness. We did rebut the NOIR with legal testimony from his children and his ex, that yes, he has been divorced for years. They said too bad, what he wrote (that was dictated by the CO) overrides the legal papers. It's just crazy. They wanted to know why we hadn't filed a formal complaint against the embassy. Who would file a complaint when you are asking for another interview. BUT after we were refused, we did file a formal complaint. Our lawyer said don't waste time to file a formal appeal, that this would probably just result in another year or more wasted. That's why we went ahead and filed a new CR-1. We filed for our CR-1 almost 3 years ago now.

[valentinasc 330]

Testimonies are worthless. 

What immigration wants to see are photos and original documents of everything listed in USCIS and NVC

[EM_Vandaveer 2,408]

1 hour ago, Love To Teach said:

Thanks for the kindness. We did rebut the NOIR with legal testimony from his children and his ex, that yes, he has been divorced for years. They said too bad, what he wrote (that was dictated by the CO) overrides the legal papers. It's just crazy. They wanted to know why we hadn't filed a formal complaint against the embassy. Who would file a complaint when you are asking for another interview. BUT after we were refused, we did file a formal complaint. Our lawyer said don't waste time to file a formal appeal, that this would probably just result in another year or more wasted. That's why we went ahead and filed a new CR-1. We filed for our CR-1 almost 3 years ago now.

Yes, unfortunately, legally, his written "confession" is very damning. I understand the circumstances but it's very hard to prove and that's where your problem lies.

[dawning 212]

Just curious: why not try to go through the Dubai consulate if he is residing there?