Dem senator wants … court injunction to block Kavanaugh confirmation vote?

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29 minutes ago, NikLR said:

Comment: the body heals the mind doesnt.

 

Correcrtion: the body heals, your mind can but you always remember.  

 

You can block a traumatic episode from your mind, sometimes it does it on its own too, but that is not healing. 

 

If you've never been raped or assaulted you maybe just dont understand.  Just like I don't understand the terrifying fear some people have of clowns but it doesnt mean that I dont understand that person has that fear and I can empathize with them.   

 

I know too many women who have lived with being abused and have moved on with their lives without anything happening to the ones who abused them.  And since I know that reporting often leads to nothing, you have no choice but to move on.  That doesn't mean you forgive or forget. You just live your life because what else can you do? I wont let past abuse make me weak because it wasn't my fault.  

 

That doesnt erase the fact that someone did something that they had no permission to do.  

 

If that someone wanted to reside on the supreme court to make final judgements for the people of the USA, then I would want to scream to the world that they were not worthy.  I would only hope that I would be strong enough for that voice to make public something I had kept private. 

I do understand.  All too well.  I just don't feel the need to define my life by it or tell the story to just anyone.  

 

Sadly, most of us know women who have been abused.  And many of us know men who have been as well.  Forgiveness is a matter of each person's choosing.  Forgetting?  TBH - I rarely ever think about my past much anymore.  And when I do remember it, it doesn't hurt me anymore.  It's more like the same kind of pressure you'd feel if you pressed on an old scar.  I can feel the difference, I'm aware of what happened - but I've healed.  It doesn't cause me fresh pain, fresh trauma to encounter it.  

 

What else can you do?  Sadly, I know plenty of people who DON'T move on with their lives, they continue to define themselves by their victimization and they also tend to believe that it excuses them from being expected to function, expected to manage their own behavior, etc.  I also know master manipulators who feed on these perpetual victims.   It disgusts me.  Also, of all the people I know who have been sexually assaulted, with the exception of the males - every single one of them told at least ONE person.  Usually a best friend.  I know that some don't tell anyone, but that is actually more rare IN MY OWN experience (so perhaps I am wrong).  Often, they wouldn't tell anyone in authority because of the fears of not being believed, or of being blamed, etc - that's true.  But a best friend, a counselor, a spouse - eventually they told someone because the weight of carrying it alone is incredibly brutal.  Even if nothing was done, someone else at least knew about it.  Ford's best friend at the time said that she couldn't corroborate CBF's story in ANY way!  NO ONE Ford has produced from her past who she's said could corroborate her story has been able to!

 

This situation with Kavanaugh is a prime example of that very thing.  CBF can't recall ANYTHING about this supposed "life altering event" (except that it HAD to have been Kavanaugh), she's got provable political motivation to see him ruined - but NOTHING that even remotely substantiates her claims, there are other men who have come forward and stated that THEY are the ones responsible for her trauma, she's being paid incredibly well, and not one single person in this circus has done ANYTHING even remotely close to seeking justice.  The manipulation of CBF by the Democratic party should be appalling to anyone who who steps back and views the situation logically.  And that's IF she was even assaulted, which, yes, I'm struggling to believe.  I'm all for validating legitimate victims.  The "crying wolf" I see hear only makes REAL victims seem less credible!  And that angers me.  The deliberate attempt to ignore the Constitution angers me.  The precedent being established here terrifies me for my future and the future my sons will build careers in.

 

"That doesn't erase the fact that someone did something they weren't supposed to do" - I agree - but WHO?

 

"If that someone wanted to reside on the supreme court to make final judgements for the people of the USA, then I would want to scream to the world that they were not worthy.  I would only hope that I would be strong enough for that voice to make public something I had kept private." - I agree again - but the big words here are "IF THAT SOMEONE" - - the issue is that there is NOTHING to substantiate that  Kavanaugh IS THAT SOMEONE.  She had SO MANY opportunities to speak up about this event in the course of his career.  She said nothing.  When she did finally speak up, it wasn't to judicial authorities - it was to a Congresswoman with glaring political motivation to see Kavanaugh's confirmation vote delayed or stopped altogether.  Her demand before speaking at the hearing were in DIRECT opposition to the US Constitution.  CBF herself has political motivation to see him stopped.  But not one of these political factors are in line with the Constitution!  "Just because I don't like him, I think he'll vote on cases in a way that I personally disagree with, he doesn't support my party's agenda, he'll uphold the Constitutional Laws regarding free speech, freedom of religion, unlawful search and seizure, gun ownership, etc"  ARE NOT legitimate reasons to deny a vote on his confirmation!   Kavanaugh has already had to undergo at least 6 FBI investigations during the course of his career!  He's been so thoroughly vetted it's getting pathetic! 

 

For just one tiny minute can you possibly let go of the "guilty until proven innocent" junk and possibly entertain the thought "What if Kavanaugh is actually innocent?"  "What if this kind of thing happened to my Husband, Father, Brother, Son?"  "How can the word of one woman, who has been proven to be politically motivated against {my male loved one}, who has been unable to produce a single shred of credible evidence, who has been unable to produce even a single person who remembers the party in question, who can't recall a single detail EXCEPT that it ABSOLUTELY was {my male loved one}, able to completely and utterly destroy the impeccable, remarkable, and hard earned career {my male loved one} has built?"  Kavanaugh has been able to produce exceptional amounts of evidence that this was not him!  The character witnesses alone are massive in number.  His academic record speaks volumes.  He's produced records of his whereabouts during the time frame in question (but funny, she can't give anything remotely specific - not even an exact year this "life altering event" happened", let alone month, week, or day - that would be something that could easily be disproven if Kavanaugh has an alibi).  There is just way too much that DOESN'T substantiate Ford's story and FULLY supports Kavanaugh's innocence.  

[NikLR 13,232]

In all honesty I havent watched a single thing about it on TV. ( because the only time I see TV is during my 1.5 hours at the gym.) If she can't remember a single detail of the event, as you've stated, then I also have a hard time being convinced too.  But Bill Cosby recently went to jail and since he drugged every woman he raped, it's more than possible not to remember details.  Our minds work in mysterious ways as well and can completely block out traumatic events.  

 

I have never claimed at all during this thread that the one accused of assault is guilty until proven innocent. That is not how the judiciary system works. Nor do I not acknowledge that false claims do happen and they also disgust me.  I havent said that at all.  

 

The issue with assault, especially when it happened a long time ago, is that physical evidence can be hard to come by.  So it often turns into a battle of words.  I can only hope the truth is there.

 

My contributions to this thread have been PURELY on the subject of assault and a woman's right to claim assault happened regardless of how much time has passed. Which is why I've made what? 2 posts?  One to state that opinion and one to clarify it.  The rest? I dont think anyone against women and equal rights should be on the supreme court.   Beyond that, as stated, I do not watch the news by choice.  

 

I do understand your point and you seem to understand mine, agreement is not needed, just understanding.  Thanks for your time. Enjoy your day.  

Edited October 4, 2018 by NikLR

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The Hypocrisy of the Dems gets me, in Colorado they have their candidate for Governor with tax and #MeToo issues yet as far as him standing down - crickets.

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30 minutes ago, NikLR said:

In all honesty I havent watched a single thing about it on TV. ( because the only time I see TV is during my 1.5 hours at the gym.) If she can't remember a single detail of the event, as you've stated, then I also have a hard time being convinced too.  But Bill Cosby recently went to jail and since he drugged every woman he raped, it's more than possible not to remember details.  Our minds work in mysterious ways as well and can completely block out traumatic events.  

 

I have never claimed at all during this thread that the one accused of assault is guilty until proven innocent. That is not how the judiciary system works. Nor do I not acknowledge that false claims do happen and they also disgust me.  I havent said that at all.  

 

The issue with assault, especially when it happened a long time ago, is that physical evidence can be hard to come by.  So it often turns into a battle of words.  I can only hope the truth is there.

 

My contributions to this thread have been PURELY on the subject of assault and a woman's right to claim assault happened regardless of how much time has passed. Which is why I've made what? 2 posts?  One to state that opinion and one to clarify it.  The rest? I dont think anyone against women and equal rights should be on the supreme court.   Beyond that, as stated, I do not watch the news by choice.  

 

I do understand your point and you seem to understand mine, agreement is not needed, just understanding.  Thanks for your time. Enjoy your day.  

As a whole, we seem to be drifting to the side where anyone claiming sexual assault must be telling the truth and those accused are guilty.  A person I heard on the radio said (it was a woman) that any accusation of sexual assault must be taken seriously, but that does not mean the accuser is to be automatically believed (there is a difference).  To take something seriously is to do the proper investigation, look for corroboration and if evidence points to the validity of the claim then proceed to prosecution.  To me CBF was taken very seriously, her claims were investigated (by the senate investigators, a seasoned prosecutor with a background in sexual assault and now the FBI background check agents), and so far two of the three find no credibility to the claim (don't know if any of the senators will break senate rules put in place by the Dems and release the FBI BGC information).  Does this mean it didn't happen to her?  I don't think that can be determined, but she was given a very serious look see relative to her claim and there was nothing there. 

Edited October 4, 2018 by Bill & Katya

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All comes down to dirty politics.

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Its pretty much over know. She has had more holes poked in her claim than Stormy Daniels.  If the worst thing Kavanaugh ever did was get blasted in college, then he has lead a very special life.

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4 hours ago, OptimusSpice said:

I do understand.  All too well.  I just don't feel the need to define my life by it or tell the story to just anyone.  

 

Sadly, most of us know women who have been abused.  And many of us know men who have been as well.  Forgiveness is a matter of each person's choosing.  Forgetting?  TBH - I rarely ever think about my past much anymore.  And when I do remember it, it doesn't hurt me anymore.  It's more like the same kind of pressure you'd feel if you pressed on an old scar.  I can feel the difference, I'm aware of what happened - but I've healed.  It doesn't cause me fresh pain, fresh trauma to encounter it.  

 

What else can you do?  Sadly, I know plenty of people who DON'T move on with their lives, they continue to define themselves by their victimization and they also tend to believe that it excuses them from being expected to function, expected to manage their own behavior, etc.  I also know master manipulators who feed on these perpetual victims.   It disgusts me.  Also, of all the people I know who have been sexually assaulted, with the exception of the males - every single one of them told at least ONE person.  Usually a best friend.  I know that some don't tell anyone, but that is actually more rare IN MY OWN experience (so perhaps I am wrong).  Often, they wouldn't tell anyone in authority because of the fears of not being believed, or of being blamed, etc - that's true.  But a best friend, a counselor, a spouse - eventually they told someone because the weight of carrying it alone is incredibly brutal.  Even if nothing was done, someone else at least knew about it.  Ford's best friend at the time said that she couldn't corroborate CBF's story in ANY way!  NO ONE Ford has produced from her past who she's said could corroborate her story has been able to!

 

This situation with Kavanaugh is a prime example of that very thing.  CBF can't recall ANYTHING about this supposed "life altering event" (except that it HAD to have been Kavanaugh), she's got provable political motivation to see him ruined - but NOTHING that even remotely substantiates her claims, there are other men who have come forward and stated that THEY are the ones responsible for her trauma, she's being paid incredibly well, and not one single person in this circus has done ANYTHING even remotely close to seeking justice.  The manipulation of CBF by the Democratic party should be appalling to anyone who who steps back and views the situation logically.  And that's IF she was even assaulted, which, yes, I'm struggling to believe.  I'm all for validating legitimate victims.  The "crying wolf" I see hear only makes REAL victims seem less credible!  And that angers me.  The deliberate attempt to ignore the Constitution angers me.  The precedent being established here terrifies me for my future and the future my sons will build careers in.

 

"That doesn't erase the fact that someone did something they weren't supposed to do" - I agree - but WHO?

 

"If that someone wanted to reside on the supreme court to make final judgements for the people of the USA, then I would want to scream to the world that they were not worthy.  I would only hope that I would be strong enough for that voice to make public something I had kept private." - I agree again - but the big words here are "IF THAT SOMEONE" - - the issue is that there is NOTHING to substantiate that  Kavanaugh IS THAT SOMEONE.  She had SO MANY opportunities to speak up about this event in the course of his career.  She said nothing.  When she did finally speak up, it wasn't to judicial authorities - it was to a Congresswoman with glaring political motivation to see Kavanaugh's confirmation vote delayed or stopped altogether.  Her demand before speaking at the hearing were in DIRECT opposition to the US Constitution.  CBF herself has political motivation to see him stopped.  But not one of these political factors are in line with the Constitution!  "Just because I don't like him, I think he'll vote on cases in a way that I personally disagree with, he doesn't support my party's agenda, he'll uphold the Constitutional Laws regarding free speech, freedom of religion, unlawful search and seizure, gun ownership, etc"  ARE NOT legitimate reasons to deny a vote on his confirmation!   Kavanaugh has already had to undergo at least 6 FBI investigations during the course of his career!  He's been so thoroughly vetted it's getting pathetic! 

 

For just one tiny minute can you possibly let go of the "guilty until proven innocent" junk and possibly entertain the thought "What if Kavanaugh is actually innocent?"  "What if this kind of thing happened to my Husband, Father, Brother, Son?"  "How can the word of one woman, who has been proven to be politically motivated against {my male loved one}, who has been unable to produce a single shred of credible evidence, who has been unable to produce even a single person who remembers the party in question, who can't recall a single detail EXCEPT that it ABSOLUTELY was {my male loved one}, able to completely and utterly destroy the impeccable, remarkable, and hard earned career {my male loved one} has built?"  Kavanaugh has been able to produce exceptional amounts of evidence that this was not him!  The character witnesses alone are massive in number.  His academic record speaks volumes.  He's produced records of his whereabouts during the time frame in question (but funny, she can't give anything remotely specific - not even an exact year this "life altering event" happened", let alone month, week, or day - that would be something that could easily be disproven if Kavanaugh has an alibi).  There is just way too much that DOESN'T substantiate Ford's story and FULLY supports Kavanaugh's innocence.  

 I love your posts.  Obviously an emotional time for all of us, but more so for those of you who have lived thru any sort of sexual abuse.  Thank you for sharing your experiences and your viewpoints on the matter.  I will say that my wife agrees with you about CBF.  When we watched some of her testimony on the internet, she got so upset with her.  The coaching, her general demeanor, her lack of ability to remember things from even a month ago... my wife called BS, and finally just turned it of because she was so angry at CBF.  My wife thinks either she is lying about the incident, or she had a bad experience and is just trying to pin it on Kavanaugh.  Mostly the former.  She says you don’t just forget.  And from the responses from you ladies here in the forum, I tend to agree.  Suppress, perhaps.  But never forget.

 

As to the other topic of girls physically enjoying sex at age 12, I also agree 100%.  Physical pleasure is evident in babies of both sexes at a young age (not talking copulation here, just physical pleasure).  And with grandparents as young as 17, we all know the human body is VERY capable of at least working at a young age. (Not going to speculate on the levels of consent nor pleasure)

 

And one last thing from a man’s standpoint on the whole CBF issue... I know traumatic events can cause situational amnesia.  But from her testimony, if what she says happened really did, that (to me) is not a very traumatic experience.  Not near enough to block.  Maybe just to forget.  Because let’s face it... our wives can recall in an instant the things we said that upset them last year, 9 years ago, 23 years in the past... you get the idea.  And I know every man reading this right now is nodding his head.  And just stopped nodding and started smiling.

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7 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

As a whole, we seem to be drifting to the side where anyone claiming sexual assault must be telling the truth and those accused are guilty.  A person I heard on the radio said (it was a woman) that any accusation of sexual assault must be taken seriously, but that does not mean the accuser is to be automatically believed (there is a difference).  To take something seriously is to do the proper investigation, look for corroboration and if evidence points to the validity of the claim then proceed to prosecution.  To me CBF was taken very seriously, her claims were investigated (by the senate investigators, a seasoned prosecutor with a background in sexual assault and now the FBI background check agents), and so far two of the three find no credibility to the claim (don't know if any of the senators will break senate rules put in place by the Dems and release the FBI BGC information).  Does this mean it didn't happen to her?  I don't think that can be determined, but she was given a very serious look see relative to her claim and there was nothing there. 

I agree with that statement.   

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12 hours ago, OptimusSpice said:

 

This situation with Kavanaugh is a prime example of that very thing.  CBF can't recall ANYTHING about this supposed "life altering event" (except that it HAD to have been Kavanaugh), 

 

  

Actually she gave a very detailed account of what happened. This is why so many people believe she is telling the truth. Perhaps you don't have the greatest memory, if you have already forgotten Ford's testimony after less than a week. Perhaps stop listening to second hand reports, that seem to be about turning black into white as it were. 

Kavanaugh did indeed lie under oath, unless you can believe a devils triangle is really just a drinking game

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23 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Actually she gave a very detailed account of what happened. This is why so many people believe she is telling the truth. Perhaps you don't have the greatest memory, if you have already forgotten Ford's testimony after less than a week. Perhaps stop listening to second hand reports, that seem to be about turning black into white as it were. 

Kavanaugh did indeed lie under oath, unless you can believe a devils triangle is really just a drinking game

I was reading people's twitter pages last night about this supposed new allegation of him mixing Qludes in the punch bowl. When a woman responded said that this is completely untrue and gave the exact reason why it wasn't true from a chemist stand point. Later on down in that conversation some one else who graduated HS in 1980 from the Midwest said that the Devils Trangle was on fact a drinking game during his time. The drinks were JD, forgot it, and MD 20/20 all aligned in a triangle.

 

I can link it if you want me too.

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53 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Actually she gave a very detailed account of what happened. This is why so many people believe she is telling the truth. Perhaps you don't have the greatest memory, if you have already forgotten Ford's testimony after less than a week. Perhaps stop listening to second hand reports, that seem to be about turning black into white as it were. 

Kavanaugh did indeed lie under oath, unless you can believe a devils triangle is really just a drinking game

Omg no we have the devils triangle conspiracy 

 The MDL has become unhinged. 

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17 minutes ago, Marty Byrde said:

Omg no we have the devils triangle conspiracy 

 The MDL has become unhinged. 

 

1 hour ago, Póg mo said:

Actually she gave a very detailed account of what happened. This is why so many people believe she is telling the truth. Perhaps you don't have the greatest memory, if you have already forgotten Ford's testimony after less than a week. Perhaps stop listening to second hand reports, that seem to be about turning black into white as it were. 

Kavanaugh did indeed lie under oath, unless you can believe a devils triangle is really just a drinking game

https://mobile.twitter.com/brithume/status/1047931315172122627

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2 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/brithume/status/1047931315172122627

The MDL is obsessed with this, the same day, we find out the DNC committee  conspired with the FBI at its top levels to spy on an opposing campaign. The need to build a new wing on to Leavenworth to house all the DNC staffers and FBI brass that need to be there. My guess is the swamp is too deep for anyone to show a set a start issuing subpoenas and felony warrants.

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Even a retired supreme Court Justice is saying not to appoint Kavanaugh. That's got to be a first. The Clintons sure know to destroy peoplehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/retired-justice-stevens-calls-kavanaughs-hearing-performance-disqualifying/2018/10/04/70c4a36e-c81a-11e8-b2b5-79270f9cce17_story.html?utm_term=.596d3bcbaa80&tid=sm_fb

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12 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Even a retired supreme Court Justice is saying not to appoint Kavanaugh. That's got to be a first. The Clintons sure know to destroy peoplehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/retired-justice-stevens-calls-kavanaughs-hearing-performance-disqualifying/2018/10/04/70c4a36e-c81a-11e8-b2b5-79270f9cce17_story.html?utm_term=.596d3bcbaa80&tid=sm_fb

another grasp at a straw by the MDL. Someone falsely accuses you of being a gang rapist and it makes you mad. Thats a bad thing right. Thats funny