Young Muslims in Cairo transform the hijab

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Is this a game to see who can blow the most hot air?

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Speaking of balance.....to anyone who saw this video or has seen any other version of it in the past, here is a more BALANCED transcript of what was said on this program. It doesn't take away from the point of the video, but it does show another opinion for those who are interested.

7/26/2005 Clip No. 783

LA Psychologist Wafa Sultan Clashes with Algerian Islamist Ahmad bin Muhammad over Islamic Teachings and Terrorism

The following are excerpts from a debate between Wafa Sultan, a psychologist from Los Angeles and Dr. Ahmad Bin Muhammad, an Algerian professor of religious politics. Al-Jazeera TV aired this debate on July 26, 2005.

Wafa Sultan: Why does a young Muslim man, in the prime of life, with a full life ahead, go and blow himself up? How and why does he blow himself up in a bus full of innocent passengers?

In our countries, religion is the sole source of education, and is the only spring from which that terrorist drank until his thirst was quenched. He was not born a terrorist, and did not become a terrorist overnight. Islamic teachings played a role in weaving his ideological fabric, thread by thread, and did not allow other sources – I am referring to scientific sources – to play a role. It was these teachings that distorted this terrorist and kille

d his humanity. It was not (the terrorist) who distorted the religious teachings and misunderstood them, as some ignorant people claim.

When you recite to a child still in his early years the verse: "They will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off," regardless of this verse's interpretation, and regardless of the reasons it was conveyed or its time – you have made the first step towards creating a great terrorist...

Bin Muhammad: The guest from America asked how a young man could blow up a bus. If only she had asked how a president could blow up a peaceful nation in Iraq. How does a president help the arch-killer of occupied Palestine? Why doesn't she ask from where Hitler was brought up – Hitler, who murdered 50 million innocent people. Why doesn't she ask where the people who dropped two atom bombs on Japan were educated? Who killed three million innocent Vietnamese? Who annihilated the Indians? Who maintained imperialism to this day? Who waged the Spanish civil war, which exacted a toll of 600,000 in 36 months? Why don't we ask these questions? Who has over 15,000 nuclear warheads – Muslims or the non-Muslims? The Muslims or the Americans? The Muslims or the Europeans? We want an answer. Where was Bush educated – if education is really what makes a person a criminal?...

Wafa Sultan: Murder is terrorism regardless of time or place, but when it is committed as a decree from Allah, this is another matter...

The Crusader wars about which the professor is talking – these wars came after the Islamic religious teachings, and as a response to these teachings. This is the law of action and reaction. The Islamic religious teachings have incited to the rejection of the other, to the denial of the other, and to the killing of the other. Have they not incited to the killing of Jews and Christians? If we had heard that a tribe in a distant corner of China has a holy book and religious teachings calling to kill Muslims – would the Muslims stand idly by in the face of such teachings?

The Crusader wars came after these Islamic religious teachings. When these Islamic teachings were delivered, America did not exist on the face of the earth, nor was Israel in Palestine...

Why doesn't he talk about the Muslim conquests that preceded all the wars he is talking about? Why doesn't he mention that when Tariq bin Ziyyad entered Andalusia with his armies, he said to his people: "The sea is behind you, and the enemy is in front"? How can you storm a peaceful country, and consider all its peaceful inhabitants to be your enemies, merely because you have the right to spread your religion? Should the religion be spread by the sword and through fighting?...

Bin Muhammad: Who invented slavery in recent centuries? Who colonized the other – us or them? Did Algeria colonize France, or vice versa? Did Egypt colonize England, or vice versa? We are the victims...

I am not saying that killing innocent people is nice. I say that all innocent people should be protected. But at the same time, we must start with the innocent among the Muslims. There are millions of innocent people among us, while the innocent among you – and innocent they are – number only dozens, hundreds, or thousands, at the most...

Wafa Sultan: Can you explain to me the killing of a hundred thousand children, women and men in Algeria, using the most abominable killing methods? Can you explain to me the killing of 15,000 Syrian civilians? Can you explain to me the abominable crime in the military artillery school in Aleppo? Can you explain the crime in Al-Asbaqiya neighborhood of Damascus, Syria? Can you explain the attack of the terrorists on the peaceful village of Al-Kisheh in Upper Egypt, and the massacre of 21 Coptic peasants? Can you explain to me what is going on in Indonesia, Turkey, and Egypt, even though these are Islamic countries which opposed the American intervention in Iraq, and which don't have armies in Iraq, yet were not spared by the terrorists? Can you explain these phenomena, which took place in Arab countries? Was all this revenge on America or Israel? Or were they merely to satisfy bestial wild instincts aroused in them by religious teachings, which incite to rejection of the other, to the killing of the other, and to the denial of the other. When Saddam Hussein buried 300,000 Shiites and Kurds alive, we did not hear a single Muslim protesting. Your silence served to acknowledge the legitimacy of these killings, didn't it?...

What do you want from me? To speak evil of the American society? I've never said that America is the eternal city of Plato, but I did say it was the eternal city of Wafa Sultan. The idealism of American society was enough to allow me to realize my humanity. I came to this country with fear.

Bin Muhammad:Along with the Indians? Along with the Indians? What was left of the Indians? What do you have to say about the Indians?

Wafa Sultan: Christopher Columbus discovered American in 1492. America was founded in 1776, approximately 300 years later. You cannot blame America – as a constitution, a regime, and a state – for killing the Indians.

this is a MEMRI translation-which is garbage, in addition to the blatant garbage put forth by wafa sultan. what a hack.

Though Memri claims to be "independent" and maintains that it does not "advocate causes or take sides", it is run by Yigal Carmon, a former colonel in Israeli military intelligence. In the Hamas video clip issued by Memri, a Mickey Mouse lookalike asks a young girl what she will do "for the sake of al-Aqsa". Apparently trying to prompt an answer, the mouse makes a rifle-firing gesture and says "I'll shoot".

The child says: "I'm going to draw a picture."

Memri's translation ignores this remark and instead quotes the child (wrongly) as saying: "I'll shoot."

Pressed further by the mouse - "What are we going to do?" - the girl replies in Arabic: "Bidna nqawim." The normal translation of this would be "We're going to [or want to] resist" but Memri's translation puts a more aggressive spin on it: "We want to fight."

The mouse continues: "What then?"

According to Memri, the child replies: "We will annihilate the Jews."

The sound quality on the clip is not very good, but I have listened to it several times (as have a number of native Arabic speakers) and we can hear no word that might correspond to "annihilate".

What the girl seems to say is: "Bitokhoona al-yahood" - "The Jews will shoot us" or "The Jews are shooting us." Comment is free

If need be, I can post MEMRI's translation of an interview with Saddam Hussein, where MEMRI put forth Monty Python quotes as a translation of what Saddam Hussein was saying. Balanced transcripts indeed...Yeah, they really do their research and achieve accuracy, don't they.

And Wafa Sultan is so bleeding disingenuous-if MEMRI did indeed manage to translate her correctly, the sheer idiocy of even just her last statement should be enough to intellectually discredit her as nothing more than a worthless hack. Because everyone knows that after 1776, Native Americans have had a walk in the park. Smallpox blankets handed out by the US army, the Indian Wars, the reservation system (American apartheid that's still up and running)-all that ####### must be a figment of my imagination. Because "You cannot blame America – as a constitution, a regime, and a state – for killing the Indians." Sure Wafa, whatever you say.

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Is this a game to see who can blow the most hot air?

every post you make is hot air, you "certified by the us consulate in casablanca" fraud.

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nice try troll to bad you couldnt stay longer

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Is this a game to see who can blow the most hot air?

every post you make is hot air, you "certified by the us consulate in casablanca" fraud.

that was very unnecessary - and reported also.

Edited May 19, 2007 by charlesandnessa

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And Wafa Sultan is so bleeding disingenuous-if MEMRI did indeed manage to translate her correctly, the sheer idiocy of even just her last statement should be enough to intellectually discredit her as nothing more than a worthless hack. Because everyone knows that after 1776, Native Americans have had a walk in the park. Smallpox blankets handed out by the US army, the Indian Wars, the reservation system (American apartheid that's still up and running)-all that ####### must be a figment of my imagination. Because "You cannot blame America – as a constitution, a regime, and a state – for killing the Indians." Sure Wafa, whatever you say.

Anyone who accepts MEMRI, or Wafa, as truth and accuracy in journalism has far more to worry about than hot air.

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Is this a game to see who can blow the most hot air?

every post you make is hot air, you "certified by the us consulate in casablanca" fraud.

that was very unnecessary - and reported also.

is it true, or is it not? is the official VJ stance that every case that is returned by consulates is just a malicious error on the part of the consulate? do consulates and their decisions just have no legitimacy according to VJ posters or what?

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Is this a game to see who can blow the most hot air?

every post you make is hot air, you "certified by the us consulate in casablanca" fraud.

that was very unnecessary - and reported also.

is it true, or is it not? is the official VJ stance that every case that is returned by consulates is just a malicious error on the part of the consulate? do consulates and their decisions just have no legitimacy according to VJ posters or what?

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Now he's an expert on First Nation's. Please!

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Now he's an expert on First Nation's. Please!

Do you have anything that discredits what I said, or are you just barking for attention? And there's no need for a bloody apostrophe in Nations. People who misuse apostrophes should have their fingernails ripped out.

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Now he's an expert on First Nation's. Please!

Do you have anything that discredits what I said, or are you just barking for attention? And there's no need for a bloody apostrophe in Nations. People who misuse apostrophes should have their fingernails ripped out.

I like your style. WHo are you?

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seriously...more like people who are cowards and feel the need to make a new account to make personal attacks should ......

or better yet,maybe the owners of this site should make it so that can't happen. hello captain?!

all of this name calling is so pointless.

Edited May 19, 2007 by abdounjen

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seriously...more like people who are cowards and feel the need to make a new account to make personal attacks should ......

or better yet,maybe the owners of this site should make it so that can't happen. hello captain?!

all of this name calling is so pointless.

Because whinging to a bunch of strangers about my personal life ala abdounjen is so much more dignified. I speak truths that irritate people, but are nevertheless truths. The new accounts are because every time I speak these truths, my account gets blocked because the ostriches whinge for me to be banned. Now who's the bloody coward in all that then?

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So charles, when are you gonna start wearing hijab?

You're already one of the MENA girls right?

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Now he's an expert on First Nation's. Please!

Do you have anything that discredits what I said, or are you just barking for attention? And there's no need for a bloody apostrophe in Nations. People who misuse apostrophes should have their fingernails ripped out.

Come and rip mine out. Make sure you leave with your scalp. You bark for attention or else you would not keep comming back. Edited May 19, 2007 by Nagishkaw