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[TBoneTX 46,041]

Next we learn (drum roll) how many of the 198,124 and 116,285 NB/MB sold last year.

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

19 hours ago, Marty Byrde said:

Guess which full size Truck is the most percent built in America  and has the 2nd highest resell value of any vehicle sold in America? 

F150 and Toyotas ussually sell the most.

F150 sales will go down though once the ranger becomes  a thing again. 

Toyotas have always been top dog when it comes the midsize segment. They actually lost alot of market share to GM's mid size twins forcing toyota to come out with their first redesigned Tacoma in like 10 or 20 years. 

 

Resale value is useless , unless you plan to buy a new car >5 years. Don't fall into the trap.. buy a car run it into the ground , then buy a used or dealer loaner then rinse and repeat. 

 

 pick up and SUV segments are wayy over priced for what they are. While the mini van segment is where all the value and versatility dwells. Mini vans aren't cool though. 

 

 

 

 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

4 hours ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

F150 and Toyotas ussually sell the most.

F150 sales will go down though once the ranger becomes  a thing again. 

Toyotas have always been top dog when it comes the midsize segment. They actually lost alot of market share to GM's mid size twins forcing toyota to come out with their first redesigned Tacoma in like 10 or 20 years. 

 

Resale value is useless , unless you plan to buy a new car >5 years. Don't fall into the trap.. buy a car run it into the ground , then buy a used or dealer loaner then rinse and repeat. 

 

 pick up and SUV segments are wayy over priced for what they are. While the mini van segment is where all the value and versatility dwells. Mini vans aren't cool though. 

 

 

 

 

No offense to anyone who owns one, but in spite of the F-150s popularity in America (and the WORLD... it is the highest-selling vehicle worldwide), but I just don't care for them.  

 

As for not owning a foreign car in your area, I did (a VW) and never had an issue.  Now, working at an auto plant, that may not work well.  I hear they have segregated parking for foreign vehicles near the back of the lots.

 

Toured the F150 plant last year.  It was amazing to see a new truck coming off the line every 60 seconds.  Wish now I had visited the Rouge plant as well.

 

I will say that the Toyota and Honda car sales lots were TINY in comparison to the big 3.  I'm talking maybe 100 vehicles on a lot vs over 1,000.

Edited September 22, 2018 by Satisfied

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

4 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

No offense to anyone who owns one, but in spite of the F-150s popularity in America (and the WORLD... it is the highest-selling vehicle worldwide), but I just don't care for them.  

 

As for not owning a foreign car in your area, I did (a VW) and never had an issue.  Now, working at an auto plant, that may not work well.  I hear they have segregated parking for foreign vehicles near the back of the lots.

 

Toured the F150 plant last year.  It was amazing to see a new truck coming off the line every 60 seconds.  Wish now I had visited the Rouge plant as well.

 

I will say that the Toyota and Honda car sales lots were TINY in comparison to the big 3.  I'm talking maybe 100 vehicles on a lot vs over 1,000.

Nothing wrong with a f150. In fact I looked at them when I bought my Tundra in 2016. It just boiled down to price, and working for Toyota I got in a lot cheaper than I could for an f-150 . I traded in my 2007 Tundra that I owned for almost 10 years, for almost half of what I paid for it new.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Living in Keith's area, discounts on Fords are amazing.  Employees can get upwards of $8k off.  As a friend 9f a Ford employee, I could have saved about $4k.

 

All of the big 3 offer deep rebates, something the Japanese dealers never do.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

2 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

Living in Keith's area, discounts on Fords are amazing.  Employees can get upwards of $8k off.  As a friend 9f a Ford employee, I could have saved about $4k.

 

All of the big 3 offer deep rebates, something the Japanese dealers never do.

-Very true, that is one of the reason why Japanese cars hold their value much better, usually

 

As for the discounts. We are discounting highlanders 7k this month and Rav4'' 6k. That is pretty strong, Biggest I have ever seen

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

19 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

Living in Keith's area, discounts on Fords are amazing.  Employees can get upwards of $8k off.  As a friend 9f a Ford employee, I could have saved about $4k.

 

All of the big 3 offer deep rebates, something the Japanese dealers never do.

Current Big 3 rebates are there  because its the  new model season..and we have new trucks being rolled out as we speak. Its just a numbers game, the goal is to grab as much market share as possible via lease. So that cars can be sold a second time on the terribly expensive "pre-owned" market.  Our real money makers aren't pickups, they are SUVs. That's why you will never see an large SUV truly on sale. 

 

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

Lol.. wish I could afford a new Ford pickup

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

33 minutes ago, Marty Byrde said:

-Very true, that is one of the reason why Japanese cars hold their value much better, usually

 

As for the discounts. We are discounting highlanders 7k this month and Rav4'' 6k. That is pretty strong, Biggest I have ever seen

Japanese cars hold thier value better because they are "considered" higher quality and thought to last longer. This is still based on the preconception of back when american automakers were actually building bad cars while japanese automakers were building quality. 

 

Older generations still remember these times.. hence the reason why they aim for Japanese cars, but in actuality all of the automakers share engineering, plants, suppliers, ect. So quality is relatively similar between the automakers as a whole. 

Edited September 22, 2018 by Keith & Arileidi

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

3 minutes ago, Randyandyuni said:

Lol.. wish I could afford a new Ford pickup

Yeah I hear that alot..

It's just not worth stretchin the budget for.. unless you are single and have 0 responsibilities/obligations. 

Edited September 22, 2018 by Keith & Arileidi

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

11 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

Yeah I hear that alot..

It's just not worth stretchin the budget for.. unless you are single and have 0 responsibilities/obligations. 

Got that right ...

 

I bought my first Toyota in 1982, my us built alternatives were the Ford pinto and Chevy Vega, loved that Corolla

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

29 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

Japanese cars hold thier value better because they are "considered" higher quality and thought to last longer. This is still based on the preconception of back when american automakers were actually building bad cars while japanese automakers were building quality. 

 

Older generations still remember these times.. hence the reason why they aim for Japanese cars, but in actuality all of the automakers share engineering, plants, suppliers, ect. So quality is relatively similar between the automakers as a whole. 

Market saturation and new vehicle discounts also affect resale value.S for all brands having equal or similar reality, its simply not correct. Only 1 domestic in the top 15. For example everyone in the auto industry including chrysler know chryslers have very low reliability. 

 

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/car-brands-reliability-how-they-stack-up/

 

2018 RANK	CHANGE FROM 2016	BRAND	NO. OF MODELS	LEAST RELIABLE MODEL	AVERAGE RELIABILITY SCORE	MOST RELIABLE MODEL
1	↑1	Toyota	14	Tacoma	80	86
2	↓1	Lexus	8	GX	77	ES
3	↑2	Kia	7	Sportage	71	Niro
4	—	Audi	7	A7	68	Q3
5	↑4	BMW	6	i3	62	2 Series
6	↑5	Subaru	6	Impreza	60	BRZ
7	↑1	Infiniti	4	Q50	60	Q70
8	↓5	Buick	4	LaCrosse	59	Encore
9	↑1	Honda	6	Ridgeline	59	CR-V
10	↓ 3	Hyundai	5	Tucson	59	Elantra
11	↑2	Nissan	8	Sentra	53	Versa Note
12	↓6	Mazda	6	CX-9	52	3
13	↑ 3	Porsche	3	Cayenne	50	Macan
14	↑3	Mercedes-Benz	6	GLC	47	E-Class
15	↑3	Ford	12	Focus	45	Fusion
16	↑ 6	Volkswagen	8	Golf	44	Passat
17	↑ 10	Chrysler	2	300	41	Pacifica
18	↓ 3	Chevrolet	15	Camaro	39	Bolt
19	↓ 7	Acura	4	ILX	38	RDX
20	↑ 3	Jeep	4	Renegade	38	Cherokee<
21	↑ 4	Tesla	2	Model X	37	Model S
22	↓ 2	Lincoln	3	MKX	33	MKZ
23	↓ 4	Volvo	3	XC90	33	V60
24	↑ 2	Dodge	5	Journey	32	Grand Caravan
25	↑ 4	Ram	3	3500	30	1500
26	↓ 2	GMC	7	Acadia	28	Sierra 2500HD
27	↓ 6	Cadillac	5	Escalade	26	CTS<

 

 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

That’s ironic... the Tacoma and the Ridgeline are the “least reliable”?  Wonder what their metric was?  Never owned a Tacoma, but I know they have a huge cult following, and it cannot be due to unreliability.  

 

Owned a Ridgeline for 11 years, and the only thing I ever replaced on it was tires (due to living in Alaska, not because they wore out), the RF headlight, oil, and the timing belt/serpentine belt/water pump combo that is recommended at 7 years (did mine at 10 years).  Never even took the spare tire out of the trunk.   Pretty darn reliable for me, it was.

[Dashinka 24,756]

13 hours ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

F150 and Toyotas ussually sell the most.

F150 sales will go down though once the ranger becomes  a thing again. 

Toyotas have always been top dog when it comes the midsize segment. They actually lost alot of market share to GM's mid size twins forcing toyota to come out with their first redesigned Tacoma in like 10 or 20 years. 

 

Resale value is useless , unless you plan to buy a new car >5 years. Don't fall into the trap.. buy a car run it into the ground , then buy a used or dealer loaner then rinse and repeat. 

 

 pick up and SUV segments are wayy over priced for what they are. While the mini van segment is where all the value and versatility dwells. Mini vans aren't cool though. 

 

 

 

 

Minivans are huge in China. They have repackaged the old GM UVan for years as a Buick and I swear almost every other vehicle I saw in Shanghai was a minivan.

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

13 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

Minivans are huge in China. They have repackaged the old GM UVan for years as a Buick and I swear almost every other vehicle I saw in Shanghai was a minivan.

Mini van are pretty huge over the world.. the US seems like the only market that doesn't fully appreciate their utility.