Trump Boasts About Steel Industry’s ‘New Life' As More Steelworkers Vote To Strike

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1 hour ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

Another honorable mention..

Microbrews in Michigan  are being hit with the higher cost of aluminum. Its obvious that microbrews run on a shallower budget because they try to aim for a more quality over quantity business model. Essientially, giving them less power to buy wholesale to offset high can prices. 

 

 

What kind of quality microbrewry puts their product in an aluminum can?

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48 minutes ago, Neonred said:

What kind of quality microbrewry puts their product in an aluminum can?

Alot actually.. glass isn't necessarily better than aluminum. Plus you can't take glass to the beach.

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2 hours ago, Neonred said:

What kind of quality microbrewry puts their product in an aluminum can?

"Can advocates and brewers who are choosing cans say there are clear advantages over bottles: The beer in a can cools faster. The can protects from beer-degrading light. Beer cans are portable and take up less space, advantages both for retailers and for consumers who want to take them camping, hiking or fishing. (See our 2009 piece on Alaska's beer can craze.) There's also more space on a can for wraparound design and decoration."

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/06/10/320645347/brewers-have-been-all-bottled-up-but-now-theyre-canning-it

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14 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

"Can advocates and brewers who are choosing cans say there are clear advantages over bottles: 

Personally I prefer bottles, but maybe ...

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7 hours ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

You don't have to be sorry. Its not your fault, your leader wants to decide who wins and who losses in our economy to feed his ego mania. 

 

Also remember that most of the steel  made on the west coast gets shipped in from South/central America(low quality).  

And is simply refined into a high quality product.

These large companies will have to make cuts to accommodate for the tarrifs.

I said sorry because I (kinda) know you, and I never want people I know to have to suffer unduly.  And no, dear leader doesn’t decide who wins and loses. He just enacts laws and policies he thinks are consistent with America’s best interests.  (Unfortunately, politicians make that determination without consulting the electoral college; those decisions typically trend towards the bigger cities and big business).

 

I cannot speak as to the quality of steel made anywhere, but if China’s steel is anything like their other mass-produced items and food stuffs that have been recalled in recent years (have you seen the issue with swine flu in China these days???), we may be better off without their steel.

 

Here’s the rub... the steel mills are going to make more money with the tariffs enacted.  But since the pool of money in America (the world, actually) is basically finite, that temporary excess has to come from somewhere.  Obviously, one area is yours (what do you do/make, if I may ask?).  I’m sure there are others.  Essentially, when one thing goes up, another must go down.  

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7 hours ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

Another honorable mention..

Microbrews in Michigan  are being hit with the higher cost of aluminum. Its obvious that microbrews run on a shallower budget because they try to aim for a more quality over quantity business model. Essientially, giving them less power to buy wholesale to offset high can prices. 

 

I have to admit ... There's always the chance that prices will come down when the market hits equilibrium. 

But most small businesses that use these products don't have the capital to wait for something that may never happen. 

Yes, the higher cost of aluminum is affecting the smaller breweries.  But what happened to distilleries when the price of copper jumped?  The only cries I heard were “hurry up and distill me some more vodka & gin & bourbon!”.  Everything is cyclical.  And ever-spiraling higher in cost as we use up the resources from the planet.

 

As for the discussion above about beer in cans... not a huge beer fan myself, unless it’s a HefeWeisen brewed in Deutschland consumed at room temperature.  But to those who think glass bottles is “where it’s at”... consider that for the majority of the time the beer is being made, up until it is bottled, it resides in metal.  The vats, the pipes, the mash tun, the kettles... all metal.  Used to be copper, but today it is mostly stainless steel.  Pour your beer out of a can and into a glass if you don’t like the chemical reaction of the metal on your lips.  Oh, and drop a couple of grains of rice into your glass for entertainment.  Enjoy!

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9 hours ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

less power to buy wholesale to offset high can prices. 

I hope that none of their employees get canned.

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19 hours ago, Randyandyuni said:

Personally I prefer bottles, but maybe ...

Its obviously personal.. 

But my favorite been companies ussually bottle in both formats. So it really depends on the activity I'm doing. 

 

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16 hours ago, Satisfied said:

Yes, the higher cost of aluminum is affecting the smaller breweries.  But what happened to distilleries when the price of copper jumped?  The only cries I heard were “hurry up and distill me some more vodka & gin & bourbon!”.  Everything is cyclical.  And ever-spiraling higher in cost as we use up the resources from the planet.

 

As for the discussion above about beer in cans... not a huge beer fan myself, unless it’s a HefeWeisen brewed in Deutschland consumed at room temperature.  But to those who think glass bottles is “where it’s at”... consider that for the majority of the time the beer is being made, up until it is bottled, it resides in metal.  The vats, the pipes, the mash tun, the kettles... all metal.  Used to be copper, but today it is mostly stainless steel.  Pour your beer out of a can and into a glass if you don’t like the chemical reaction of the metal on your lips.  Oh, and drop a couple of grains of rice into your glass for entertainment.  Enjoy!

Tarrifs are an unnatural way to manipulate supply and demand unlike copper market price fluctuations. 

The chicken tax has been around for a while, now today's trucks are extremely bloated in price with next to 0 international competition to bring such prices down. 

Basically, I can't just buy a barebones work truck in Michigan. I have to buy a minivan with with a bed, 40-50k at entry level. 

 

Thank you for the beer input.. i just leaned something new lol. 

I can't stand room temp beer. 

The closest I can get to it is a bourbon barrel stout at high 50s low 60s. 

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14 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

I hope that none of their employees get canned.

The cost will probably be past on to the customer. People who buy craft beer ussually don't mind the high prices. 

But the key word is "ussually".

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3 hours ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

Tarrifs are an unnatural way to manipulate supply and demand unlike copper market price fluctuations. 

The chicken tax has been around for a while, now today's trucks are extremely bloated in price with next to 0 international competition to bring such prices down. 

Basically, I can't just buy a barebones work truck in Michigan. I have to buy a minivan with with a bed, 40-50k at entry level. 

 

Thank you for the beer input.. i just leaned something new lol. 

I can't stand room temp beer. 

The closest I can get to it is a bourbon barrel stout at high 50s low 60s. 

The secret to room temp beer is... good quality beer!  The swill made in America is a far cry from good (Coors, Miller, Bud, etc.).  When I first lived in Germany, I could not stand the idea of a room temp beer.  Cuz I knew just HOW nasty the dregs of a bottle of American beer was.  Until one day I finally tried it.  And I was HOOKED!  

 

Like a lot of foods, cold suppresses the flavor and the taste buds.  Think about cheesecake... when it’s cold, it has less “taste” then when it is room temp.  Same concept applies to Hefe Weisen (not pils, however.

 

Learning has occurred on my side, too... Ironically, I had never even heard of the chicken tax, had to look it up.  What’s funny is how Ford was able to get around the tax (which was essentially put into place to protect US auto makers).  Thankfully, Honda got smart and built their Ridgeline factory in America. I love my Honda Ridgeline.

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2 hours ago, Satisfied said:

The secret to room temp beer is... good quality beer!  The swill made in America is a far cry from good (Coors, Miller, Bud, etc.).  When I first lived in Germany, I could not stand the idea of a room temp beer.  Cuz I knew just HOW nasty the dregs of a bottle of American beer was.  Until one day I finally tried it.  And I was HOOKED!  

 

Like a lot of foods, cold suppresses the flavor and the taste buds.  Think about cheesecake... when it’s cold, it has less “taste” then when it is room temp.  Same concept applies to Hefe Weisen (not pils, however.

 

Learning has occurred on my side, too... Ironically, I had never even heard of the chicken tax, had to look it up.  What’s funny is how Ford was able to get around the tax (which was essentially put into place to protect US auto makers).  Thankfully, Honda got smart and built their Ridgeline factory in America. I love my Honda Ridgeline.

You are right.. normal US macro brews taste like ####### without keeping your pallet relatively numb. 

But when it comes to beer temps, the biggest factor is the type of beer. 

Infographic:

https://goo.gl/images/xQpQ8W

 

Alot of people don't know about the chicken tax. as a disclaimer, I personally profit off of the tariff. I don't think its 100% fair though.i also believe that it is the reason why trucks have become more of luxuries as opposed to utilizes. 

I live in South East Michigan, I wouldn't be caught dead in a Japanese vehicle let alone a Japanese truck. Yes I know and argue that alot of japanese branded cars and trucks are "more american" than their outsourced "american" counterparts. But I have to choose the companies that pay my bills. 

 

 

 

 

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32 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

You are right.. normal US macro brews taste like ####### without keeping your pallet relatively numb. 

But when it comes to beer temps, the biggest factor is the type of beer. 

Infographic:

https://goo.gl/images/xQpQ8W

 

Alot of people don't know about the chicken tax. as a disclaimer, I personally profit off of the tariff. I don't think its 100% fair though.i also believe that it is the reason why trucks have become more of luxuries as opposed to utilizes. 

I live in South East Michigan, I wouldn't be caught dead in a Japanese vehicle let alone a Japanese truck. Yes I know and argue that alot of japanese branded cars and trucks are "more american" than their outsourced "american" counterparts. But I have to choose the companies that pay my bills. 

 

 

 

 

Guess which full size Truck is the most percent built in America  and has the 2nd highest resell value of any vehicle sold in America? 

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On 9/19/2018 at 10:52 PM, Marty Byrde said:

It never ceases to amaze the overreach people will use to discredit all the unbridled winning. What Trump said is 100% accurate.  He has breathed new life into the steel industry. They are striking because they want a bigger share of the winning. It's great we are at a point workers are contemplating strikes for increased benefits and wages.  Not too long ago they were making concessions to keep their jobs. MAGA heck YA. Roll Trump Roll

 

snip--Workers at both companies say they want a bigger portion of the windfall that their firms have reaped in recent years. Even before Trump’s tariffs, the U.S. steel industry had been enjoying strong growth. And since the president’s protectionist measures, the Luxembourg-based ArcelorMittal, which has mills in several states including Illinois and Indiana, and Pittsburgh-based U.S. Steel have reported surging profits"

What does this have to do with Trump.  I worked in the auto industry in parts plants for several years, and the strike authorization vote is a regular occurrence prior to the start of negotiations of a new contract.  In most cases it is just a formality as what union would want to start negotiations if their members Turned down an authorization to strike.

 

Seems like just a another biased media story about Trump as I am sure these unions would have promised not to strike with a negotiations break down under Obama.

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11 hours ago, Marty Byrde said:

Guess which full size Truck is the most percent built in America  and has the 2nd highest resell value of any vehicle sold in America? 

Toyota Tacoma, at 52.5% built in America, is the winner of both categories.  But it’s not full size?

 

Tundra comes in at #2 for best resale value.  

Tacoma sold 198,124 in 2017.  116,285 Tundras were sold that year.

 

F-150 sells about 102 trucks per hour.  Sold 896,764 in 2017.  Trivia... 2009 was their lowest selling year, with only 413,625 trucks sold.

 

 

http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2017/08/17/ford-f-series-is-best-selling-vehicle-in-world.html