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randomstairs   303

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I was born in a communist country and the system collapsed in 1990 when I was 14. I have never been affiliated with the Communist party but as a child I was a member of "pioneers", a youth movement that was not affiliated with the Party either (although it shared much of the ideology, it was more of a civic patriotic movement). The membership was mandatory for every child of 7 or older. In the I-485 I did not list this membership because the form was only asking about affiliations after 16 years of age. I answered NO to the Communist Party membership or affiliation too.

 

But in N-400 the question ALL memberships should be listed, regardless of age. So I intend to list this one too (with approximate dates). The Communist Party question in N-400 is also much broader, asking for any association (direct or indirect) with the Party. That's super-vague. I plan to answer NO and submit a separate sheet explaining my childhood membership in the "pioneers". I also intend to explain the same at the interview. Would this make sense?  Thanks!

03/04/2016 AOS (EB2-NIW concurrent with I-485) mailed to Lewisville TX Lockbox
03/07/2016 AOS delivered to USCIS and signed
03/12/2016 Case received by Nebraska Service Center (NSC)
03/14/2016 Text notification received for I-140/I-485/I-765/I-131.
04/08/2016 Biometrics notice received for 04/21
04/13/2016 Biometrics early walk-in completed.
04/15/2016 EAD/AP combo card received in mail.

 

Long wait begins...

 

11/04/2016 I-140/485 cases transferred from Nebraska to TCS
12/01/2016 Prepared package for EAD/AP renewal (expires 04/09/2017)
12/23/2016 USCIS suddenly changes several forms, invalidating my EAD/AP renewal package (not yet sent)
12/27/2016 USCIS suddenly reforms the entire NIW criteria system, replacing a 20 years old one. Uncharted waters. 
01/07/2017 (Saturday!) EAD/AP renewal package with new forms received in Phoenix "reception desk"
01/17/2017 EAD/AP renewal case accepted; text/email with receipt numbers was received
01/30/2017 Law firm finally confirms that USCIS has suspended processing all EB2-NIW cases due to new criteria. 
02/23/2017 USCIS slowly starts adjudicating NIW cases again.
04/21/2017 Extended EAD/AP received in mail. Valid for 2 years. 
05/06/2017 Received a massive RFE on I-140 NIW case.
07/20/2017 RFE response received by USCIS (a very long response with 30 pages of docs)
09/14/2017 I-140 NIW approved!!! 
11/28/2017 RFE for new medical issued (plus another request re Supp J for employment which is clearly issued in error)
12/04/2017 RFE received in mail
12/07/2017 repeated medical exam for I-485
12/08/2017 Attorney receives documents for responding to I-485 RFE
12/21/2017 Response to RFE received by USCIS 
02/09/2018 I-485 approval (text, email) :)
02/08/2018 I-485 approval notice issued (the "welcome letter") - I'm LPR now
02/16/2018 Green card received
 
11/14/2022 Filed N-400 online; receipt and biometrics reuse form received online
03/07/2023 N-400 Interview scheduled 
04/xx/2023 N-400 approved, same-day Oath ceremony completed. I'm a US citizen.
05/xx/2023 US passport in hand

 

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Agree that you are overthinking, I was from communist country (Vietnam) and Vietnam is still a communist countries with some mix mode and I had no problem getting my USC.  Most schoolchild kids in Vietnam were required to be with a  young "union" group which might be indirectly controlled by communists.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, RTLE said:

Agree that you are overthinking, I was from communist country (Vietnam) and Vietnam is still a communist countries with some mix mode and I had no problem getting my USC.  Most schoolchild kids in Vietnam were required to be with a  young "union" group which might be indirectly controlled by communists.

 

 

Out of curiosity, did you report the young communist membership on your N400?

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Just now, CarlHamilton said:

Out of curiosity, did you report the young communist membership on your N400?

No and it was not a lie because it was not officially a communist party.

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Just now, RTLE said:

No and it was not a lie because it was not officially a communist party.

That makes sense to me.  It's hard to imagine that the question is intended to suss out the "political" affiliations of 7-year olds. 

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1 minute ago, CarlHamilton said:

That makes sense to me.  It's hard to imagine that the question is intended to suss out the "political" affiliations of 7-year olds. 

Just to ease your mind that USCIS some times can be forgiven (just do not  test this):  when I was taking my oath for my USC, others and I were given a sheet to answers a few questions like from the time of the interview until this oath ceremony

  • Have you ever claimed you are a USCIS?
  • Have you voted?

Many people who could read fluently, marked yes. The filed officers just indirectly told them to rethink :) 

 

 

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Thank you all for answering! Yeah, the attorneys I asked also agree. I'll answer NO for Communist party association and add elaboration. The movement, alas, still needs to be listed under "memberships" on N-400 as there is no young age limit for that question. And, yeah, I find it a bit silly having to discuss politics of my 7-year-old self (I don't remember even knowing what Communism was, it was like gravity there). The movement was a ceremonial and civic/patriotic kinda organization that made us sing idiotic songs - that's all I remember :)

03/04/2016 AOS (EB2-NIW concurrent with I-485) mailed to Lewisville TX Lockbox
03/07/2016 AOS delivered to USCIS and signed
03/12/2016 Case received by Nebraska Service Center (NSC)
03/14/2016 Text notification received for I-140/I-485/I-765/I-131.
04/08/2016 Biometrics notice received for 04/21
04/13/2016 Biometrics early walk-in completed.
04/15/2016 EAD/AP combo card received in mail.

 

Long wait begins...

 

11/04/2016 I-140/485 cases transferred from Nebraska to TCS
12/01/2016 Prepared package for EAD/AP renewal (expires 04/09/2017)
12/23/2016 USCIS suddenly changes several forms, invalidating my EAD/AP renewal package (not yet sent)
12/27/2016 USCIS suddenly reforms the entire NIW criteria system, replacing a 20 years old one. Uncharted waters. 
01/07/2017 (Saturday!) EAD/AP renewal package with new forms received in Phoenix "reception desk"
01/17/2017 EAD/AP renewal case accepted; text/email with receipt numbers was received
01/30/2017 Law firm finally confirms that USCIS has suspended processing all EB2-NIW cases due to new criteria. 
02/23/2017 USCIS slowly starts adjudicating NIW cases again.
04/21/2017 Extended EAD/AP received in mail. Valid for 2 years. 
05/06/2017 Received a massive RFE on I-140 NIW case.
07/20/2017 RFE response received by USCIS (a very long response with 30 pages of docs)
09/14/2017 I-140 NIW approved!!! 
11/28/2017 RFE for new medical issued (plus another request re Supp J for employment which is clearly issued in error)
12/04/2017 RFE received in mail
12/07/2017 repeated medical exam for I-485
12/08/2017 Attorney receives documents for responding to I-485 RFE
12/21/2017 Response to RFE received by USCIS 
02/09/2018 I-485 approval (text, email) :)
02/08/2018 I-485 approval notice issued (the "welcome letter") - I'm LPR now
02/16/2018 Green card received
 
11/14/2022 Filed N-400 online; receipt and biometrics reuse form received online
03/07/2023 N-400 Interview scheduled 
04/xx/2023 N-400 approved, same-day Oath ceremony completed. I'm a US citizen.
05/xx/2023 US passport in hand

 

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