John Kerry: Trump Has 'Maturity of an 8-Year-Old Boy With the Insecurity of a Teenage Girl'

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2 hours ago, JimandChristy said:

I agree with Maher, there is Socialism everywhere in the United States. The Military is the biggest socialist program in the world! That is why it always amuses me when I hear Americans particularly those on the right think Socialism is some terrible thing.

i suppose you could be right there - one is expected to obey orders and if needed, give their life for the cause.........

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

2 hours ago, JimandChristy said:

It was Capitalism that destroyed a lit of people's lives in 2008. A balance needs to be struck between Capitalism and Socialism.

Under the draft yes, in an all volunteer military one is exchanging a servitude status for a period of time in exchange for money and future benefit

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1 hour ago, Randyandyuni said:

Under the draft yes, in an all volunteer military one is exchanging a servitude status for a period of time in exchange for money and future benefit

Methinks perhaps you quoted the wrong post?

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3 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

Methinks perhaps you quoted the wrong post?

Lol yup 🤐

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4 hours ago, JimandChristy said:

I agree with Maher, there is Socialism everywhere in the United States. The Military is the biggest socialist program in the world! That is why it always amuses me when I hear Americans particularly those on the right think Socialism is some terrible thing.

Soldiers, sailors, and airmen sacrificing their lives to fight for your freedom to sit in the comfort of your bedroom any type, and you equate that to socialism?  How the heck do you see that as socialism?  In a truly socialis economy, people do not have choices.  But service members volunteer to serve.  I think you are confused.

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1 hour ago, Ban Hammer said:

i suppose you could be right there - one is expected to obey orders and if needed, give their life for the cause.........

Under the draft yes, in an all volunteer military one is exchanging a servitude status for a period of time in exchange for money and future benefit

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Wonder if Kerry will be held accountable for his violations of the Logan act.

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On 9/15/2018 at 10:13 PM, Satisfied said:

Soldiers, sailors, and airmen sacrificing their lives to fight for your freedom to sit in the comfort of your bedroom any type, and you equate that to socialism?  How the heck do you see that as socialism?  In a truly socialis economy, people do not have choices.  But service members volunteer to serve.  I think you are confused.

The military is certainly socialism, because taxes pay for it. Same goes for public roads, public schools, public police and fire departments, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Tricare. All Socialism.

 

Under true free market capitalism, we would have private security forces only.

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52 minutes ago, jb914 said:

The military is certainly socialism, because taxes pay for it. Same goes for public roads, public schools, public police and fire departments, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Tricare. All Socialism.

 

Under true free market capitalism, we would have private security forces only.

Incorrect.  But keep grasping at straws (outside of CA, of course!).

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1 hour ago, Satisfied said:

Incorrect.  But keep grasping at straws (outside of CA, of course!).

Taxes don't pay for the military?

 

Free market capitalism lets the market solve problems.

 

Taxing everybody, and using that pool of money to pay for a communal resource like the military, is not letting the market solve the problem.

 

It is a socialized response to the problem.

 

The USA has elements of free market capitalism, and elements of socialism.

 

Sorry to break it to you, but when society uses taxes to pay for a communal resource like the military, police, etc, that is not capitalism.

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11 hours ago, jb914 said:

Taxes don't pay for the military?

 

Free market capitalism lets the market solve problems.

 

Taxing everybody, and using that pool of money to pay for a communal resource like the military, is not letting the market solve the problem.

 

It is a socialized response to the problem.

 

The USA has elements of free market capitalism, and elements of socialism.

 

Sorry to break it to you, but when society uses taxes to pay for a communal resource like the military, police, etc, that is not capitalism.

Taxes pay for a LOT of things, that doesn’t make it socialism.  Private ownership of the businesses that  control the market, that is capitalism.  As is the private ownership of land.  Intellectual property rights, etc.  The free market dictates the price of things produced.

When the means of production are communally owned, then it becomes socialism.  The owners set the market rate of items produced and sold, not the free market.

Taxes also are used in welfare programs, which themselves are not socialistic, but a means to boost the livelihood of the impoverished workers, so that they don’t try to rise up and take from those who have more.  

 

The military exists to protect capitalist property owned by US investors the world over.  It is not a communally-owned entity to ensure everyone has the same things in life.  If the military were a socialist construct, everyone would be a part of it.  But they are not.

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On 9/15/2018 at 5:37 PM, JimandChristy said:

I agree with Maher, ...

Ahh..the great pasty white racist on HBO..I wouldn't stand too close..

 

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