Wife's Friend Denied Tourist Visa Twice to Visit US from Thailand

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40 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

From what part of the ether did you pull those numbers, 9 refusals?!? In FY2017, 769 Thais were issued B1 only visas,  463 were issued B2 only visas, and 43812 were issued combination B2/B2 visas. 

https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/AnnualReports/FY2017AnnualReport/FY17AnnualReport -TableXVII.pdf

That ia a lot of visas.

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24 minutes ago, faithintrust said:

My question was whether or not the B1/B2 is an appropriate Visa for pleasure trip.

 

Let's stay on topic as the moderator suggested.  I make a living crunching numbers.  So if you really want to know, and are not just trolling, here's the math.  Actually it's 43,182 B1/B2 Visa.  It doesn't mention a B2/B2.

But anyway, it's simple math.

As I mentioned, if the 20% refusal rate were evenly distributed across the 3 B Visa types, then approximately 9 persons would have been denied B2.

9 people is 20% of the 1% of total B Visas.  Only 1% B2 Visas were granted out of the 44,414 total.

Likewise, about 8,000 B1/B2 and about 30 B1 could have been denied.    

 

 

So a ver high issuance rate.

Edited October 31, 2018 by Boiler

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

22 minutes ago, Boiler said:

That ia a lot of visas.

Yup

21 minutes ago, Boiler said:

So a ver high issuance rate.

Yup, as the data say, and not anecdotal nonsense about how most Thais get refused. 

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48 minutes ago, faithintrust said:

My question was whether or not the B1/B2 is an appropriate Visa for pleasure trip.

 

Let's stay on topic as the moderator suggested.  I make a living crunching numbers.  So if you really want to know, and are not just trolling, here's the math.  Actually it's 43,182 B1/B2 Visa.  It doesn't mention a B2/B2.

But anyway, it's simple math.

As I mentioned, if the 20% refusal rate were evenly distributed across the 3 B Visa types, then approximately 9 persons would have been denied B2.

9 people is 20% of the 1% of total B Visas.  Only 1% B2 Visas were granted out of the 44,414 total.

Likewise, about 8,000 B1/B2 and about 30 B1 could have been denied.    

 

 

Yes, clearly it was a typo and I meant B1/B2.

 

But what on earth are you talking about, only 1% issued of these? Good lord, isn’t there a tos violation for peddling nonsense constantly? That 44k number is total visas ISSUED. Read the heading on the page. That’s the approx 80% of applications that got approved. I hope you do better in your number crunching job than you do reading clear and obvious data here. 

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Peddling nonsense is not a breach of the ToS.

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  Of the visas issued a certain number must be renewals,  which makes the approvals higher, because those that have demonstrated good visa behavior will probably get a renewal.  Nigeria happens to be a really tough country for visitors visas.  It can be hit or miss on getting a visa. Reapplying doesn't seem to help ( except renewals)  They do put a lot of importance on why you are going to leave.  I know one relative who was denied as a medical student but got a visa a year later when he was working on his residency.   He didn't have any real travel history although it probably would have helped.   Remember there are tells when a person lies and these people are trained to look for them so having a formula of answers won't help.  

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1 hour ago, NigeriaorBust said:

  Of the visas issued a certain number must be renewals,  which makes the approvals higher, because those that have demonstrated good visa behavior will probably get a renewal.  Nigeria happens to be a really tough country for visitors visas.  It can be hit or miss on getting a visa. Reapplying doesn't seem to help ( except renewals)  They do put a lot of importance on why you are going to leave.  I know one relative who was denied as a medical student but got a visa a year later when he was working on his residency.   He didn't have any real travel history although it probably would have helped.   Remember there are tells when a person lies and these people are trained to look for them so having a formula of answers won't help.  

Yup, Nigeria has a 45% refusal rate... https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Non-Immigrant-Statistics/RefusalRates/FY17.pdf

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22 hours ago, SusieQQQ said:

Yes, clearly it was a typo and I meant B1/B2.

 

But what on earth are you talking about, only 1% issued of these? Good lord, isn’t there a tos violation for peddling nonsense constantly? That 44k number is total visas ISSUED. Read the heading on the page. That’s the approx 80% of applications that got approved. I hope you do better in your number crunching job than you do reading clear and obvious data here. 

1% of 44k were tourist visas.

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5 minutes ago, faithintrust said:

1% of 44k were tourist visas.

No. 100% of 44k were tourist visas.  That is what the category consists of... issued tourist visas.

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3 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

No. 100% of 44k were tourist visas.  That is what the category consists of... issued tourist 

No, there are three visa types.  B1 and B1/B2 is business. B2 is tourist.

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6 minutes ago, faithintrust said:

No, there are three visa types.  B1 and B1/B2 is business. B2 is tourist.

Nope

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7 minutes ago, Boiler said:

 

The 3 visitor visa types explained

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/tourism-visit/visitor.html

 

I get it now. You and Susie Q are just trolls.  I was insulted by both of you.

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[geowrian 22,338]

B-1 is business visitor.

B-2 is tourism.

B-1/B-2 is business visitor and/or tourism.

[jan22 3,056]

On 10/30/2018 at 7:53 PM, faithintrust said:

Few B2 are granted to people from Asia.  Most countries come in at 0% or 1% as in the case with Thailand.

  

The overwhelming majority were B1 and B1/B2.  2% and 97% respectively, according to the FY2017 NIV Detail Table report. 

 

That suggests that only 9 Thais were refused B2 last year.  That is, if the 20% refusal rate was applied evenly across the three B Visa types.

I happen to know 2 of the individuals denied last year.  So, I could in fact know at 20% of the refused.

 

It seems the B1/B2 is the way to go.  Is there any issue with applying for the B1/B2 if not conducting business?

 

   

I'm not exactly sure what your point is about the 3 "types" of B visas -- they are all visitor visas; the B1 and B1/B2 are visitors for business and the B2 and B1/B2 are visitors for pleasure (i.e., tourists).  Your statement that a B1/B2 is for business is incorrect -- it is for business (the B1 part) or pleasure (the B2 part).

 

But, regardless of that, there is a major error in your reasoning.  There were no B1 or B2 refusals -- there would have been only issuance of individual B visas as opposed to the combination B1/B2 visa.  No matter what a person puts on the DS-160, all visitor visas are entered into the consular computer system as B1/B2, as that is the most common issuance.  It needs to be changed to issue either a B1 or a B2 if the officer decides to approve one instead of the combination.  A change is not made if a visa is being denied.  So, all those changed to either B1 or B2 are issuances and all the refusals were, technically, of B1/B2 visas.

 

Two other points:

      The Annual Report from which you've pulled issuances is a workload statistic, i.e., it is a summary report of an Embassy's non-immigrant visa workload for the year.  It is listed by country, but it does not seperate by nationalities.  That is, there is no breakdown of how many of the 44,414 issuances were for Thai nationals and how many were nationals of other countries who applied in Bangkok for whatever reason.

       However, the report on refusals IS a summary of the refusals of the nationals of that country -- no matter where in the world they applied.  

 

To use the 20% refusal rate on the 44,414 visitor visas processed in Bangkok is a little bit of apples and oranges, as you cannot tell what part of the 20% applied in Thailand as opposed to other countries.  

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35 minutes ago, jan22 said:

 

 

      The Annual Report from which you've pulled issuances is a workload statistic, i.e., it is a summary report of an Embassy's non-immigrant visa workload for the year.  It is listed by country, but it does not seperate by nationalities.  That is, there is no breakdown of how many of the 44,414 issuances were for Thai nationals and how many were nationals of other countries who applied in Bangkok for whatever reason.

       However, the report on refusals IS a summary of the refusals of the nationals of that country -- no matter where in the world they applied.  

 

To use the 20% refusal rate on the 44,414 visitor visas processed in Bangkok is a little bit of apples and oranges, as you cannot tell what part of the 20% applied in Thailand as opposed to other countries.  

 

20 minutes ago, geowrian said:

Great point...mixing data broken down by country/post vs data broken down by nationality is not prone to be accurate. Presumably most applicants at a given post are of that same nationality, but there is plenty of room for other nationals to sway those numbers by a non-trivial degree.

The table I reference d before https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/AnnualReports/FY2017AnnualReport/FY17AnnualReport -TableXVII.pdf is non-immigrant visas issued by nationality, not by post. So they are all Thailand nationals. And to reiterate again, they are ALL actually issued. Both these points are clearly indicated in the headings.

 

(to further underscore that it is issued by nationality not post, the table includes visas issued for nationals in countries that don’t have their own issuing posts, like St Lucia).

Edited November 1, 2018 by SusieQQQ