Dallas Police Officer Shot Man in His Apartment After He Didn't Follow ‘Verbal Commands

[Enas 21]

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Officials probing the death of 26-year-old Botham Jean, who was shot and killed in his own apartment by an off-duty Dallas police officer, said that the Jean did not respond to “verbal commands” from the officer. The Associated Press reports that Texas Ranger David Armstrong wrote in an arrest affidavit that Jean failed to respond to Officer Amber Guyger when she entered the dark apartment that she mistakenly thought was hers. Guyger allegedly thought that Jean was an intruder, and shot twice in his direction after he did not respond. One shot hit his chest, resulting in his death. Officials also said that Guyger entered the apartment because the door was “slightly ajar.” Guyger was reportedly on the phone with emergency responders to report the shooting when she turned on the light and realized she was not in her apartment. Jean's apartment and exterior layout was “nearly identical” to Guyger's, as Guyger's apartment was on the floor directly above. Botham Jean's mother in a news conference Monday remarked that she had a lot of questions but “has been told there are no answers yet,” like why it took so long for Guyger to get arrested and why Guyger used such deadly force

https://www.thedailybeast.com/dallas-police-officer-shot-man-in-his-apartment-after-he-didnt-follow-verbal-commands

 

1. Who cares if he didn't follow your verbal commands? ITS HIS APARTMENT HE DIDN'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO YOUR COMMANDS

 

2. She could see that his hands weren't up but not that the furniture wasn't in the right place?

 

3. How do you enter into the wrong apartment when the place met was red and yours wasn't? Like how do you not notice the place mat is not yours? 

 

4. Some people are saying he shouldn't have left his door slightly open um I leave my door unlocked and sometimes opened I don't expect someone to come and shoot me for my own life choices 

 

5. This story is fisher than a fish market. And she needs more than just manslaughter 

 

Personally I don't think this story has ANYTHING to do with race like some people are saying( officer is white the man was black) I just don't think the story adds up. It's also said that she changed her original story and that after she shot him she ran outside (caught on tape) talking to the paramedics when she should have been inside giving the man she just shot aid. Witnesses are reported hearing her knock and telling him to open up. After that they heard a gun shot and the man Botham say "Why did you do that." 

 

 

[Chris Duffy 1,257]

This appears to be a tragic mistake, She should do prison time for involuntarily Manslaughter, I suspect she will get 2 to 4 year actual prison time served.

 

This isn't a murder charge by legal term, this is manslaughter, whether voluntary or involuntary.

 

From what I have seen Dallas courts are soft on manslaughter charges with light sentences......

[Enas 21]

22 minutes ago, Chris Duffy said:

This appears to be a tragic mistake, She should do prison time for involuntarily Manslaughter, I suspect she will get 2 to 4 year actual prison time served.

 

This isn't a murder charge by legal term, this is manslaughter, whether voluntary or involuntary.

 

From what I have seen Dallas courts are soft on manslaughter charges with light sentences......

There are conflicting stories even on her part. At one point she says that the door was closed but unlocked than she said it was slightly opened 

 

Witness are reported to have heard knocking and the officer saying "Let me in" or "open the door" something like that 

 

Apparently as the case progresses they are planning on putting on more severe charges 

[Póg mo 1,749]

1 hour ago, Chris Duffy said:

This appears to be a tragic mistake, She should do prison time for involuntarily Manslaughter, I suspect she will get 2 to 4 year actual prison time served.

 

This isn't a murder charge by legal term, this is manslaughter, whether voluntary or involuntary.

 

From what I have seen Dallas courts are soft on manslaughter charges with light sentences......

Why is it manslaughter? Shouldn't a member of law enforcement be held to a higher standard? Or is she to benefit from the "law enforcement is a stressful job" defense. Why are law enforcement officers often allowed this defense, when for anyone else, they would be told that they knew what it was like when they signed up, so don't deserve any sympathy, when they mess up.

[yuna628 9,750]

I don't believe the officer's story in this case which has shifted several times. No person should be following 'verbal commands' when someone breaks into their home. For all he knew it was someone who had barged in and pointed a gun at him and was going to rob him. I wonder if she wasn't under the influence?

[Unlockable 7,316]

20 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Why is it manslaughter? Shouldn't a member of law enforcement be held to a higher standard? Or is she to benefit from the "law enforcement is a stressful job" defense. Why are law enforcement officers often allowed this defense, when for anyone else, they would be told that they knew what it was like when they signed up, so don't deserve any sympathy, when they mess up.

Because murder charges are required for prosecutors to prove that she intended to go to his apartment and kill him. Manslaughter only requires prosecutors to prove that her "mistake" subsequently led to his death.

 

Manslaughter is an easier charge to be successful in this scenario.

[Eric-Pris 1,607]

I think everybody is skipping over the most important question.  How the F did she miss her own apartment?  Was she drunk or high?  If so, she shouldn't be carrying her gun.

 

I'm pro-police but she needs to go to prison.

[Enas 21]

3 minutes ago, Eric-Pris said:

I think everybody is skipping over the most important question.  How the F did she miss her own apartment?  Was she drunk or high?  If so, she shouldn't be carrying her gun.

 

I'm pro-police but she needs to go to prison.

I mean I said how the hell did she not notice his red place mat? And yet she noticed his hands were not up but not that the furniture wasn't in the right place? Apparently she just got off her shift

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[Enas 21]

24 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

I don't believe the officer's story in this case which has shifted several times. No person should be following 'verbal commands' when someone breaks into their home. For all he knew it was someone who had barged in and pointed a gun at him and was going to rob him. I wonder if she wasn't under the influence?

They did a drug and alcohol test on her but it still hasn't come out.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Enas said:

There are conflicting stories even on her part. At one point she says that the door was closed but unlocked than she said it was slightly opened 

 

Witness are reported to have heard knocking and the officer saying "Let me in" or "open the door" something like that 

 

Apparently as the case progresses they are planning on putting on more severe charges 

 

  Dallas DA has recommended murder charges, and it is possible they could still charge her with that. We don't have the whole story yet, but thus far, it seems that while the circumstances may have been the result of a mistake, the final outcome clearly showed intent to kill. 

[Enas 21]

35 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Dallas DA has recommended murder charges, and it is possible they could still charge her with that. We don't have the whole story yet, but thus far, it seems that while the circumstances may have been the result of a mistake, the final outcome clearly showed intent to kill. 

I don't believe it was a mistake. How do you not notice that that's not your place mat? Or that the furniture isn't in the right place? Its just too fishy for me. But it should be upped to murder because as soon as she pointed that gun at him she intended to shot him. But really if they use that "He didn't follow her verbal commands" in court than they need to be slapped. The audacity to command someone in their own home like "Put your hands up!" No lady you put your hands up and get the hell out of my apartment 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

4 minutes ago, Enas said:

I don't believe it was a mistake. How do you not notice that that's not your place mat? Or that the furniture isn't in the right place? Its just too fishy for me. But it should be upped to murder because as soon as she pointed that gun at him she intended to shot him. But really if they use that "He didn't follow her verbal commands" in court than they need to be slapped. The audacity to command someone in their own home like "Put your hands up!" No lady you put your hands up and get the hell out of my apartment 

 

  I agree lots of questions need to be answered. I think (hope) the situation is that they have enough evidence to prove manslaughter right now and went with that charge. If they find evidence or witness testimony that supports murder, they can up the charge to murder at that time. It's also possible they have some specific information that they have not released that contradicts a murder charge.  

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

I guarantee in the end we gonna find out there were lovers 

[Enas 21]

17 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

I guarantee in the end we gonna find out there were lovers 

That's been disproven already but what has been said is that she complained about him I think noise complaints if I remember right.

[Enas 21]

51 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  I agree lots of questions need to be answered. I think (hope) the situation is that they have enough evidence to prove manslaughter right now and went with that charge. If they find evidence or witness testimony that supports murder, they can up the charge to murder at that time. It's also possible they have some specific information that they have not released that contradicts a murder charge.  

Dallas Police aren't investigating. I think Texas Rangers are. I hope it's fair but still 2 to 4 years in prison (and she can probably get out before) is going way too easy I mean didn't that Oscar guy (he didn't have legs from South Africa) get 13 years in prison? He said he thought his girlfriend was an intruder and shot her?