Jim Carrey says 'stop apologizing' and 'say yes to socialism'

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

3 hours ago, Randyandyuni said:

My father was a janitor when I was growing up, it's rather upsetting to hear you say how much Jim Carrey  has overcome to get where he is, my father had an 8th grade education quit school to earn money for his family during the depression, my parents had 3 kids, my brother is a lawyer, my sister has a masters of education and I have a Doctorate in Business, no one assisted him to educate us, his hard work, our hard work and the GI Bill helped us. We are more self-reliant because of this. You do realize by giving people just enough to get by you don't incent them to raise themselves up. I am not arguing to starve people or let people die from easily controllable diseases but making someone exert some effort is necessary to move the mark forward, meet all my needs and I have less motivation to work harder to improve my lot

Amen brother. 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

2 hours ago, Randyandyuni said:

you missed half my point, I took offense to your attitude towards his father and by default mine, as to the rest  ... give a man a fish he eats for a day, keep giving him a fish he forgets how to fish and lives a day-to-day existence, unable to rise above

And there is no such hing as dishonorable honest work, whether you are sweeping the floor or the CEO

[NikLR 13,232]

8 hours ago, Randyandyuni said:

you missed half my point, I took offense to your attitude towards his father and by default mine, as to the rest  ... give a man a fish he eats for a day, keep giving him a fish he forgets how to fish and lives a day-to-day existence, unable to rise above

What attitude? That people do the jobs they need to do to keep their families alive and healthy so they can have better lives? For being a good father? If you think my attitude was in any way looking down upon sacrifices and hardships that our parents have faced then you sir, are sorely mistaken.  Your assumption of my attitude was wrong. Take your offense elsewhere. 

[NikLR 13,232]

5 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

And there is no such hing as dishonorable honest work, whether you are sweeping the floor or the CEO

I agree... never did I say ANYWHERE in my post that Jim Carey's father was doing anything but the best for his family that he could! I truly believe that.  Even sometimes when you are doing everything in the world to help your family and provide for them in the USA your child developing cancer could send everyone living in their car.  I have friends who literally have had to choose between healthcare and food.  That's not okay. Help those who are helping themselves. 

 

Honestly I feel like trying to explain how it works in Europe and Canada and Aus and NZ to people in the USA is smashing my face into a wall.  I'm done.  This way is NOT the best way, nothing is.  But there is better.  And if you're too scared to try because someone might take from you, then you dont know how to give and I feel sorry for you.  Im out. 

Edited September 11, 2018 by NikLR

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

9 hours ago, Satisfied said:

If health care is so great in Canada, why are so many Canadians coming to America (or other countries) to be seen?

 

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5949b405e4b0db570d3778ff

 

5 minutes ago, NikLR said:

I agree... never did I say ANYWHERE in my post that Jim Carey's father was doing anything but the best for his family that he could! I truly believe that.  Even sometimes when you are doing everything in the world to help your family and provide for them in the USA your child developing cancer could send everyone living in their car.  I have friends who literally have had to choose between healthcare and food.  That's not okay. Help those who are helping themselves. 

 

Honestly I feel like trying to explain how it works in Europe and Canada and Aus and NZ to people in the USA is smashing my face into a wall.  I'm done.  This way is NOT the best way, nothing is.  But there is better.  And if you're too scared to try because someone might take from you, then you dont know how to give and I feel sorry for you.  Im out. 

Before you go, could ya enlighten us as to why that free healthcare in Canada is causing people to come to the US to use our selfish medical system for their care, even though they are having to pay thru the nose for it?

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

9 minutes ago, NikLR said:

I agree... never did I say ANYWHERE in my post that Jim Carey's father was doing anything but the best for his family that he could! I truly believe that.  Even sometimes when you are doing everything in the world to help your family and provide for them in the USA your child developing cancer could send everyone living in their car.  I have friends who literally have had to choose between healthcare and food.  That's not okay. Help those who are helping themselves. 

 

Honestly I feel like trying to explain how it works in Europe and Canada and Aus and NZ to people in the USA is smashing my face into a wall.  I'm done.  This way is NOT the best way, nothing is.  But there is better.  And if you're too scared to try because someone might take from you, then you dont know how to give and I feel sorry for you.  Im out. 

Feel sorry for me. Your a hoot, inventing stuff people never said. Ego feel better? 

 

For the record I never said anything about Jim's dad, and my hard work comment was supportive of him.

Btw I also agree no one should choose between food and cancer treatment.

 

 

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

20 minutes ago, NikLR said:

I agree... never did I say ANYWHERE in my post that Jim Carey's father was doing anything but the best for his family that he could! I truly believe that.  Even sometimes when you are doing everything in the world to help your family and provide for them in the USA your child developing cancer could send everyone living in their car.  I have friends who literally have had to choose between healthcare and food.  That's not okay. Help those who are helping themselves. 

 

Honestly I feel like trying to explain how it works in Europe and Canada and Aus and NZ to people in the USA is smashing my face into a wall.  I'm done.  This way is NOT the best way, nothing is.  But there is better.  And if you're too scared to try because someone might take from you, then you dont know how to give and I feel sorry for you.  Im out. 

Tough to be enlightened when surrounded by selfish trolls I guess.

 

No need to feel sorry for me, i don't  need it. if by better you Mean palatable to you, it's not fear for me I choose to decide who I am charitableto, not have it dictated to me

Edited September 12, 2018 by Randyandyuni

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

11 minutes ago, Randyandyuni said:

Tough to be enlightened when surrounded by selfish trolls I guess.

 

No need to feel sorry for me, i don't  need it. if by better you Mean palatable to you, it's not fear for me I choose to decide who I am charitableto, not have it dictated to me

“I feel sorry for you” doesn’t really mean that soreness is felt.  It means that you don’t see things their way, therefore you are scum of the earth, and part of the reason they have to work for what they have instead of get it handed to them.  At least that is the impression I get from those who talk about socialism as if it will be a good thing...

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

It's ok, no need to feel sorry for me means I really don't care what someone thinks of me,  it's a 2 way street

[NikLR 13,232]

2 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Feel sorry for me. Your a hoot, inventing stuff people never said. Ego feel better? 

 

For the record I never said anything about Jim's dad, and my hard work comment was supportive of him.

Btw I also agree no one should choose between food and cancer treatment.

 

 

I don't feel sorry for YOU... for people in general.   And sorry as in sad... it makes my heart sad. 

[NikLR 13,232]

1 hour ago, Satisfied said:

“I feel sorry for you” doesn’t really mean that soreness is felt.  It means that you don’t see things their way, therefore you are scum of the earth, and part of the reason they have to work for what they have instead of get it handed to them.  At least that is the impression I get from those who talk about socialism as if it will be a good thing...

why would i think you're scum of the earth? wow you interpret things in an interesting manner.  The assumptions you make on how I say things says a lot though.  I appreciate the insight. 

[NikLR 13,232]

2 hours ago, Randyandyuni said:

Tough to be enlightened when surrounded by selfish trolls I guess.

 

No need to feel sorry for me, i don't  need it. if by better you Mean palatable to you, it's not fear for me I choose to decide who I am charitableto, not have it dictated to me

Typical American response though.  Again, I pretty much understand exactly what your feelings are on the matter.  It's not like I haven't heard that line before.

[NikLR 13,232]

2 hours ago, Satisfied said:

 

Before you go, could ya enlighten us as to why that free healthcare in Canada is causing people to come to the US to use our selfish medical system for their care, even though they are having to pay thru the nose for it?

because it's cheap and fast.  they don't pay through the nose. 

 

My ex FIL could get an MRI next day at Harvard Medical for $350.  Can you?  I can't.  Some people like paying not to wait.  People ask on VJ all the time why isn't there an expedite fee? I just would pay more to wait less? Same thing. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

13 minutes ago, NikLR said:

because it's cheap and fast.  they don't pay through the nose. 

 

My ex FIL could get an MRI next day at Harvard Medical for $350.  Can you?  I can't.  Some people like paying not to wait.  People ask on VJ all the time why isn't there an expedite fee? I just would pay more to wait less? Same thing. 

Fast, perhaps.  Cheap?  No.  But the point I am trying to get you to answer for us is... why is it taking people in Canada who need health care 6-12 months for things?  Free is nice, but not when it comes with a very long wait time.

[OptimusSpice 164]

this article explained it pretty well

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2011/12/19/the-ugly-realities-of-socialized-medicine-are-not-going-away-3/#bfabb13f2f6b

 

Healthcare everywhere is a mess.  Social medicine is not a solution.  Obamacare is not a solution.  "Ensuring everyone has health insurance" is no fix.  I personally think that health insurance is a huge part of the problem.  The health ins companies are the only winners.  Tort reform regarding frivolous medical malpractice lawsuits would also help.  Regulation the COST of healthcare would help. Pharmaceutical companies are a huge part of the cost of health care. Why can a tweaker get a free shot of Narcan, while a diabetic has to pay $750 for insulin?  Or a person with a lethal allergy over $1000 for a Epi-pen?    Why can't hospitals give accurate estimates for care?  I called prior to having a baby - I wanted to know how much, after my insurance paid, would my bill be.  They couldn't even give me a ball park figure.  Part of the problem there is that the cost of each aspect is based on a contract with an insurance company - it's not just "$200 for an xray" - it's "$200 if you are self pay, $50 if you have BC/BS, $75 if you have Cigna, etc"...(only examples - not real cost figures).  Doctors have to charge huge fees because malpractice insurance is wicked expensive.  Also, Medicare itself add a massive amount to the cost of healthcare.  For a hospital to be a "Medicare Participating Hospital" they have to agree to charge only 60% to Medicare to cover MC patients.  A very high percentage of the patients seen are MC patients - so to cover the overhead of keeping a hospital functional, the base costs of everything have to be huge to make up for the 40% loss in the Government provided care that already exists.  At the end of the day - there are too many people making way too much money off the current mess that is healthcare, and Obamacare only made it worse for the US Citizen and better for those already profiting.  Our entire system needs an overhaul.  No more lipstick on a pig - just wipe it all and start from the bottom, completely fresh.  It won't happen.  Politicians don't want it fixed - they'd lose their funding.  Also - they are not subject to the same health care the avg citizen is.  If they were - you bet it'd be fixed.  It's not fixed because they don't want it fixed (huh....just like USCIS).  Socialism won't fix it.  

 

Also - I totally agree with a flat tax system.  It'll never happen, again Politicians would loose too much (hell, they can't even stay within the budget they already have).  

 

I also think the the citizens should be the ones to vote on the salaries of our representatives.  They shouldn't vote on their own raises.  My company determines the annual cost of living increase that everyone gets, but the raise above that is determined by my boss and is based on my performance.  They can set a percentage that the entire US would need to follow for "annual cost of living" increase, and then we should get to vote on any raise above and beyond that.  I also think that any politician who is truly representing their constituency should have an income that matches the Median income of their represented locality.  Most of our representatives don't even truly live in the places they represent - or they live in the very wealthiest communities, send their kids to the most expensive private schools, etc.....they aren't walking my streets, shopping in my local markets, sending their kids to school with mine....they are so far removed from the lifestyles of those "they represent" that we no longer actually have representation.  We have a king we call president, and lords/ladies/barons/baronness that we call congressmen.....it looks like a "democracy" because of the titles but we've swayed so far from the heart of that which founded our nation that we have returned to the mess we fought so hard to get away from in the first place.  If we haven't reached this place completely yet, we are fast heading that way.  The people have become too content to deny the personal responsibility that comes with true freedom and they are happy to sacrifice freedom for the "ease" of a system where the government takes care of them instead of expecting them to take care of themselves.  

 

All things in balance - I am responsible for my community, my compassion - but it does need to be balanced with wisdom and accountability.  If we each returned to the place where communities handled their own business and the further away you go up the ladder of leadership, the less power retained - then our democratic republic would thrive.  Again - it'll never happen.  Those in power won't readily give it up and the people are getting ever more willing to surrender their own power in exchange for "being taken care of".  But that only lasts as long as the "producers" continue to produce....eventually all become consumers, then what?