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Just now, Póg mo said:

So great, a universal health care system is not socialism. Great to know

As I said... don't shoot the messenger.  I'm just repeating what people who have lived their lives there report to us.  

 

I can also read and comprehend.  Never have I seen the Scandinavian countries compared to China nor Russia.

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2 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

So great, a universal health care system is not socialism. Great to know

Also... a universal health care system that has such long wait times to be seen, which forces people to either suffer or go abroad to pay for their own medical care isn't what I would label a success, nor something I desire.

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Just now, Satisfied said:

One Idea, Multiple Forms

The word “socialism” is perhaps most associated with countries such as the former Soviet Union and China under Mao Zedong, along with present-day Cuba and North Korea. These economies conjure the idea of totalitarian leaders and public ownership of virtually all productive resources.

 

However, other parts of the world sometimes use the same term to describe very different systems. For instance, the main Scandinavian economies – Sweden, Denmark, Norway, and Finland – are often referred to as “social democracies” or simply “socialist.” But rather than the government running the entire economy, such countries balance market competition with robust social safety nets. That means nearly universal health care and laws that rigorously protect worker rights. 

 

Even in decidedly capitalist countries such as the United States, some services are thought too important to leave to the marketplace alone. Consequently, the government provides unemployment benefits, social security and health insurance for seniors and low-income earners. It’s also the main provider of elementary and secondary education.

Read more: What Exactly is a Socialist Economy? | Investopedia https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/082014/what-exactly-socialist-economy.asp#ixzz5QqMoUUUs 
 

Finally, we are getting somewhere.

 

People have been arguing this for years, and now suddenly, in the blink of an eye, Republicans are suddenly able to see that there is in fact a difference between socialism and communism. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

As I said... don't shoot the messenger.  I'm just repeating what people who have lived their lives there report to us.  

 

I can also read and comprehend.  Never have I seen the Scandinavian countries compared to China nor Russia.

Spread the word brother.

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Just now, Póg mo said:

Spread the word brother.

You too my good man.  Together, we shall find the truth.  And I suspect it will be somewhere in the MOR.

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1 minute ago, Satisfied said:

Also... a universal health care system that has such long wait times to be seen, which forces people to either suffer or go abroad to pay for their own medical care isn't what I would label a success, nor something I desire.

You would prefer them to suffer at home instead, because they can't afford the capitalist health care system.

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Just now, Póg mo said:

You would prefer them to suffer at home instead, because they can't afford the capitalist health care system.

I can see where you get that idea from what I said.  You know, because I said nothing of the sort.

 

If a person sits at home because they can't afford to pay the doctor bill, or if they sit at home because their socialist health care tells them they must wait 6-12 months for care... is there really a difference? Either way, suffering is going to happen.  Perhaps even death.

 

At least with our system, there is the choice of coming up with a tiny portion of the bill, say 10-15%, and obtaining the care needed.

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18 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

You would prefer them to suffer at home instead, because they can't afford the capitalist health care system.

Well that's Obamacare for you.

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15 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

I can see where you get that idea from what I said.  You know, because I said nothing of the sort.

 

If a person sits at home because they can't afford to pay the doctor bill, or if they sit at home because their socialist health care tells them they must wait 6-12 months for care... is there really a difference? Either way, suffering is going to happen.  Perhaps even death.

Sure, of course if health care costs are so expensive, that you can't even afford routine care,  and you end up becoming I'll, or maybe you live a country where expecting people to survive on a level of pay so low, that you can't afford anything beyond rubbish food, then chances are you are going to find yourself in need of more expensive health care at a some point.

 

15 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

 

At least with our system, there is the choice of coming up with a tiny portion of the bill, say 10-15%, and obtaining the care needed.

And be in debt for the rest of your life. 

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20 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Well that's Obamacare for you.

Do you like the prospect of being denied health care, because your health insurance company has unilaterally decided to cancel your coverage, because you happened to have checked the wrong box, when you signed up for health insurance ten years earlier. That was the reality of health insurance before Obama care. People would sold policies that didn't cover a thing, and while folks might complain about a $12000 deductable, $12000 isn't much, when you receive a bill for a hundred grand, because you have reached your life time limit.

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1 minute ago, Póg mo said:

Do you like the prospect of being denied health care, because your health insurance company has unilaterally decided to cancel your coverage, because you happened to have checked the wrong box, when you signed up for health insurance ten years earlier. That was the reality of health insurance before Obama care. People would sold policies that didn't cover a thing, and while folks might complain about a $12000 deductable, $12000 isn't much, when you receive a bill for a hundred grand, because you have reached your like time limit.

Yep paying mega bucks for so called cover with a deductible some can not afford and certainly where I am one Insurer you have to use is absolutely wonderful.

 

Thank you Obama.

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19 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Sure, of course if health care costs are so expensive, that you can't even afford routine care,  and you end up becoming I'll, or maybe you live a country where expecting people to survive on a level of pay so low, that you can't afford anything beyond rubbish food, then chances are you are going to find yourself in need of more expensive health care at a some point.

 

Yes, all true.  But Canada is still a beautiful place to live, even if you must suffer thru pain to do so.  I definitely enjoy visiting there.

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22 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Yep paying mega bucks for so called cover with a deductible some can not afford and certainly where I am one Insurer you have to use is absolutely wonderful.

 

Thank you Obama.

You can't afford $20,000 for a deductible? How about half a million dollars hospital bill? Which would choose, if you had to pick one?

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4 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

You can't afford $20,000 for a deductible? How about half a million dollars hospital bill? Which would choose, if you had to pick one?

For many people $20,000 might as well be half a million.

 

You need to come down from your ivory tower.

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43 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

You can't afford $20,000 for a deductible? How about half a million dollars hospital bill? Which would choose, if you had to pick one?

If you can afford $20K for a deductible, then why buy insurance at all?  Just forego those expensive premiums, and when you have to visit the hospital, negotiate up front to pay only 15% of the billed amounts, and pay cash.  It’s not hard at all.