Anonymous White House Writer Isn't A Patriot. They're Betraying The Constitution

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Right-o -- I wanted to figure out what person or organization is pumping the word "sedition" out there, and it looks like it's Sebastian Gorka on Hannity. Gorka is a nincompoop at best, and a borderline Nazi-sympathizer at worst.

 

Anyway, Mr. Gorka is wrong. This is not sedition as defined in 18 U.S.C. § 2384. Let's read it together:

 

 

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If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

 

There needs to be a conspiracy to use force to do any of these things. Could a specious argument that the mere act of removing a paper from the president's desk involves "force," since some form of bodily movement requires a person to exert force? I guess so, but that's patently absurd. "Force" in these circumstances looks like something greater than snatching a document away; it would be more like coming in with a gun drawn so that others may see it and then removing the papers.

 

Perhaps some argument could be made for violation of 18 U.S.C. § 2383, "Rebellion or insurrection." Would it stick? Eh, probably not. I counted four cases on Westlaw citing the statute over the years, most of them during the Civil War. The most recent one is from 1971, US v. Sinclair (E.D.Mich.1971) 321 F.Supp. 1074. This is an interesting quote: "In this turbulent time of unrest, it is often difficult for the established and contented members of our society to tolerate, much less try to understand, the contemporary challenges to our existing form of government. If democracy as we know it, and as our forefathers established it, is to stand, then 'attempts of domestic organizations to attack and subvert the existing structure of the Government' ... , cannot be, in and of themselves, a crime. Such attempts become criminal only where it can be shown that the activity was/is carried on through unlawful means, such as the invasion of the rights of others by use of force or violence." (Id. at 1079.)

 

Again, the use of force is required. I just don't think we can get there, in my personal opinion.

[Crazy Cat 42,196]

2 hours ago, Randyandyuni said:

I took the map as conservatives not liking to live in close proximity to liberals, not choosing to avoid other conservatives

To me, it looks like the liberals are all making their way out of the country to the east and west.....

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

2 hours ago, jg121783 said:

Most of the blue areas also happen to be liberal run crime ridden sanctuary cities. Hence the reason most conservatives dont live in these areas.

Also areas where blacks are the most oppressed.  Not sure why anyone would support that.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

16 minutes ago, missileman said:

To me, it looks like the liberals are all making their way out of the country to the east and west.....

Unfortunately, a lot of them are also escaping to TX.  I wonder how much longer TX will be a red state?

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

Sure. But I sure as heck didn't steal my boss' stuff and decide to co-boss with them in secret because the boss is too much of an idiot to notice, then complain about how morally abhorrent my boss is, but continue working for him out of some weird ego-centric need to feel gratified that my only purpose in life is to save America from that stupidity. Again, that's not a democracy. That's a regency, and not even a very good one. America did not elect this individual and others 'co-presidenting' into office.

 

It's like saying ''oh I totally helped that dictator butcher non-desirables, which upset me, but I made sure that he didn't do it too often because that is just gross and I reaaallly care, and I hang around because tax cuts are soooo cool!" Men of principles, moral men, do not lurk behind the scenes sullying themselves with more rot, whine about it, and think themselves so big-headed that *they* know what's best. It's complicity. Unethical. They should have never taken the job, and should have just as quickly exited the building ringing the alarm bells as they went.

 

It's one of the reasons why I remain very skeptical as to the validity of the op-ed. Something stinks.

 

Suffice to say we all don't want the president to throw a temper tantrum and hit the big red buttons. But imho, if he does do it, again.. one reaps what they sow.

 

And? Do you think the red on that map reflects the numbers? Because it didn't. There's a lot of red on the map in Maryland and many of those states. That means nothing, because the physical numbers of blue (represented by your tiny specs on the map) erase the red out. Statistically that map will change during each election cycle, and there's many reasons for it - as people move around to different states.

 You are mostly right..but..

The United States is not a true democracy anyways... At least when it comes to the presidential elections. The last two republican presidents both lost the popular vote. 

So I'll stay open to creative ways that an average Joe can apply checks and balances to an egotistical maniac. 

 

 

 

 

[Ban Hammer 13,503]

4 hours ago, yuna628 said:

And? Do you think the red on that map reflects the numbers? Because it didn't. There's a lot of red on the map in Maryland and many of those states. That means nothing, because the physical numbers of blue (represented by your tiny specs on the map) erase the red out. Statistically that map will change during each election cycle, and there's many reasons for it - as people move around to different states.

never said it did.  but it covers far more area of the usa than the blue.  the electoral college is another example of the brilliance of our founding fathers.

[TBoneTX 46,041]

8 hours ago, elmcitymaven said:

Right-o [...] in my personal opinion.

Whether we agree with the sentiments or not, we need more posts like this.  Great research, Maven Dear.

Edited September 8, 2018 by TBoneTX

[TBoneTX 46,041]

8 hours ago, yuna628 said:

I sure as heck didn't steal my boss' stuff and decide to co-boss with them in secret because the boss is too much of an idiot to notice, then complain about how morally abhorrent my boss is, but continue working for him out of some weird ego-centric need to feel gratified that my only purpose in life is to save America from that stupidity. Again, that's not a democracy. That's a regency, and not even a very good one. America did not elect this individual and others 'co-presidenting' into office.

 

It's like saying ''oh I totally helped that dictator butcher non-desirables, which upset me, but I made sure that he didn't do it too often because that is just gross and I reaaallly care, and I hang around because tax cuts are soooo cool!" Men of principles, moral men, do not lurk behind the scenes sullying themselves with more rot, whine about it, and think themselves so big-headed that *they* know what's best. It's complicity. Unethical. They should have never taken the job, and should have just as quickly exited the building ringing the alarm bells as they went.

 

It's one of the reasons why I remain very skeptical as to the validity of the op-ed. Something stinks.

We need more posts like this.  Great stuff, Y ma'am.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

7 hours ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

 You are mostly right..but..

The United States is not a true democracy anyways... At least when it comes to the presidential elections. The last two republican presidents both lost the popular vote. 

So I'll stay open to creative ways that an average Joe can apply checks and balances to an egotistical maniac. 

 

 

 

 

Never has been a democracy.  It’s a republic.  Perhaps a democratic republic.  But a republic nonetheless.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/07/sorry-liberals-america-not-democracy-better-way/

 

Stay open all you want.  But the fact is, the electoral college is what is best for the US overall. It keeps the high-density population centers like NY and CA from controlling the rest of the US.  Imagine how you’d feel if my family were able to control your family because there was one more person in mine, even though we were on opposite ends of the country.  Doesn’t make any sense.  Nor would I want my family to have to live by your rules.

The electoral vote has protected our great nation for two centuries.  Let us hope it continues to do so.  At least for my (selfish, I know) lifetime.

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

1 hour ago, Satisfied said:

Never has been a democracy.  It’s a republic.  Perhaps a democratic republic.  But a republic nonetheless.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/07/sorry-liberals-america-not-democracy-better-way/

 

Stay open all you want.  But the fact is, the electoral college is what is best for the US overall. It keeps the high-density population centers like NY and CA from controlling the rest of the US.  Imagine how you’d feel if my family were able to control your family because there was one more person in mine, even though we were on opposite ends of the country.  Doesn’t make any sense.  Nor would I want my family to have to live by your rules.

The electoral vote has protected our great nation for two centuries.  Let us hope it continues to do so.  At least for my (selfish, I know) lifetime.

Some elections are truly democratic... It just so happens that are national elections are not. Same thing can be said about cities who were appointed an Emergency Managers by a republican governor in Michigan. 

 

There's a reason why they are high density areas... Better access to employment and overall opportunity. Hence the reason why most of the opioid drug epidemic lives in trump country. 

 

 

 

 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

45 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

Some elections are truly democratic... It just so happens that are national elections are not. Same thing can be said about cities who were appointed an Emergency Managers by a republican governor in Michigan. 

 

There's a reason why they are high density areas... Better access to employment and overall opportunity. Hence the reason why most of the opioid drug epidemic lives in trump country. 

 

 

 

 

Better opportunity?  Back up your claim with factual numbers, please?  I work in NY by necessity, but I would never live in NY.  Why?  Taxes would kill my paycheck.  I opt to live in a relatively high cost of living area, but much lower than NY. My access to better employment is not restricted at all.

As for your claim of opioid drug usage... nice try.  Facts say otherwise...



https://www.vox.com/2018/1/10/16872012/opioid-epidemic-medication-addiction-map 

Edited September 8, 2018 by Satisfied

[Merle 458]

4 hours ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

There's a reason why they are high density areas... Better access to employment and overall opportunity. 

 

 

 

 

... and better access to gub'ment cheese.

Edited September 8, 2018 by Merle

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

6 hours ago, Satisfied said:

Better opportunity?  Back up your claim with factual numbers, please?  I work in NY by necessity, but I would never live in NY.  Why?  Taxes would kill my paycheck.  I opt to live in a relatively high cost of living area, but much lower than NY. My access to better employment is not restricted at all.

As for your claim of opioid drug usage... nice try.  Facts say otherwise...



https://www.vox.com/2018/1/10/16872012/opioid-epidemic-medication-addiction-map 

Back up my claim.. ok...

Opioid use 

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/06/23/622692550/analysis-finds-geographic-overlap-in-opioid-use-and-trump-support-in-2016

 

"Why Young People Leave

Rural areas lack academic and economic opportunity compared to metropolises. Because of this, a large portion of migrants are talented high school graduates. This cause-effect relationship, known as “brain drain,” robs rural areas of intellectual capital."

 

https://publicpolicy.wharton.upenn.edu/live/news/2393-rural-america-is-losing-young-people-

 

More on rural America. 

 

https://www.princeton.edu/news/2018/02/22/wuthnow-discusses-left-behind-decline-and-rage-rural-america

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

2 hours ago, Merle said:

... and better access to gub'ment cheese.

Rural areas use more welfare. 

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

7 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

Rural areas use more welfare. 

More or a higher percentage?