social security not using middle names?

[athena_ny 1]

He went to apply this morning and he's in their system, but he'd filled out the application like it says with first, middle, and last names. The woman said immigration had to verify blahblahblah, but oh! They stopped using middle names last year.

I just got my new SS card with my middle name - has anyone else been told this? He's all worried now, I know it's not a huge deal, but it almost doesn't make sense that they'd not use middle names anymore - does anyone know anything/heard anything similar?

Thanks!

[no name 1]

HUbby's has his middle name, he got it in December 06...

[Otto 83]

It's news to me... certainly nothing to be worried about that's for sure.. In the end, no one will care if it shows a middle name or not.

[athena_ny 1]

HUbby's has his middle name, he got it in December 06...

I think it sounds fishy - I may call and ask to speak to a supervisor and get that straightened out...

It's news to me... certainly nothing to be worried about that's for sure.. In the end, no one will care if it shows a middle name or not.

I know it's nothing to worry about but he wants his middle name on there...

[Michaela_Hassan 1]

That is weird, they specifically asked for our middle names and neither of us had one.

[TracyLuis 0]

My husband's SS card came May 5th, and it has his middle name. So I don't know what that lady is talking about

Edited May 15, 2007 by TracyLuis

[athena_ny 1]

My husband's SS card came May 5th, and it has his middle name. So I don't know what that lady is talking about

My suspicions have been confirmed.

[bora bora 1]

When we went to get my husband's SSN I asked about including my husband's "middle name" - which is really his first last name. We were told that this would have to be verified too. But I didn't want to wait - and he didn't care - so his SS card only has his first and last name. I don't think my husband cares too much, but I like his documents having his complete name since, according to the U.S., his first last name is actually his middle name.

At least when his complete name is written out it is correct.

[athena_ny 1]

When we went to get my husband's SSN I asked about including my husband's "middle name" - which is really his first last name. We were told that this would have to be verified too. But I didn't want to wait - and he didn't care - so his SS card only has his first and last name. I don't think my husband cares too much, but I like his documents having his complete name since, according to the U.S., his first last name is actually his middle name.

At least when his complete name is written out it is correct.

My mom always has her middle name on everything...her name is Briane and everyone wants to call her Brian and think she's a male but with her middle name it's pretty obvious.

[I'm Gone 60]

If I understand you correctly of course middle names are still allowed on SSN records. It's that a middle name is not concidered part of a person's legal name.

https://s044a90.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0100202105

RM 00202.105 Form SS-5 Item 1 — Name

A. POLICY - NAME TO BE SHOWN ON CARD (LINE 1)

1. How Name Should Be Shown

Show the name in line 1 exactly as it will appear on the SSN card (unless the name is unusually long). Full names will not be reduced to initials unless the combination of first and middle names exceeds 26 characters

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https://s044a90.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203200

RM 00203.200 Evidence of Identity for an SSN Card

5. Use the Legal Name in Certain Circumstances

In general, a person’s legal name is the name shown on his/her birth certificate unless the person’s name has changed since birth based on certain events, such as a marriage or a valid court order for a name change.

6. Documents for Adult Age 18 and Older

ALIEN: Adult Age 18 and older

1. Primary Evidence

Request a current U.S. immigration document and an unexpired foreign passport.

-- Form I-551, Permanent Resident Card (includes temporary I-551 stamp/machine readable immigrant visa (MRIV) in combination with an unexpired foreign passport when the I-551 Permanent Resident Card has not yet been issued)

-- Form I-94, Arrival/departure Record in combination with an unexpired foreign passport

-- Form I-766, Employment Authorization card

-- Form I-688B, Employment Authorization card

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https://s044a90.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203210

RM 00203.210 Changing Numident Name Data

2. Legal Name

Generally, a person’s legal name is the name on his/her birth certificate unless it has been changed after birth by a legal action, such as marriage or by a court order.

For official purposes, a legal name generally consists of a first (or given name) and a surname (or family name) that must be used to sign legal documents, deeds, or contracts. A middle name (or names) may be included as part of the legal name but whether the middle name is included, omitted or incorrect does not matter.

C. Procedure - Immigration Document as Evidence of Legal Name

When issuing immigration documents, the Department of State and DHS issue them in the person’s legal name. The legal name is also generally the name in which the foreign passport was issued.

When an alien applies for an SSN card, presume the name on the immigration document is the legal name unless the applicant presents evidence of a legal name change (e.g., marriage) that occurred after the immigration document was issued.

In cases where an alien applies for a replacement SSN card and submits an immigration document showing a name that is different from the name on the prior Numident record, accept the immigration document as evidence of the legal name. In these cases, the prior SSN card may have been issued in a name that was not the NH’s legal name.

6. Change of Middle Name to Maiden Name on SSN Card

Lisa Smith Jones applies for a replacement SSN card in that name because she lost her SSN card. The prior Numident records show the names Lisa Marie Smith and Lisa Jones. She submits a driver’s license showing her name as Lisa S. Jones.

It is a common occurrence in the U.S. for a woman to take her maiden name as the middle name after marriage. Because a legal name generally consists of a first or given name and a surname or family name, whether the identity document submitted shows the middle name is included, omitted or incorrect does not matter.

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[Killer_Clown_2009 0]

Mine doesn't have my middle name, and really I don't care.

[athena_ny 1]

If I understand you correctly of course middle names are still allowed on SSN records. It's that a middle name is not concidered part of a person's legal name.

https://s044a90.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0100202105

RM 00202.105 Form SS-5 Item 1 — Name

A. POLICY - NAME TO BE SHOWN ON CARD (LINE 1)

1. How Name Should Be Shown

Show the name in line 1 exactly as it will appear on the SSN card (unless the name is unusually long). Full names will not be reduced to initials unless the combination of first and middle names exceeds 26 characters

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https://s044a90.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203200

RM 00203.200 Evidence of Identity for an SSN Card

5. Use the Legal Name in Certain Circumstances

In general, a person’s legal name is the name shown on his/her birth certificate unless the person’s name has changed since birth based on certain events, such as a marriage or a valid court order for a name change.

6. Documents for Adult Age 18 and Older

ALIEN: Adult Age 18 and older

1. Primary Evidence

Request a current U.S. immigration document and an unexpired foreign passport.

-- Form I-551, Permanent Resident Card (includes temporary I-551 stamp/machine readable immigrant visa (MRIV) in combination with an unexpired foreign passport when the I-551 Permanent Resident Card has not yet been issued)

-- Form I-94, Arrival/departure Record in combination with an unexpired foreign passport

-- Form I-766, Employment Authorization card

-- Form I-688B, Employment Authorization card

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https://s044a90.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203210

RM 00203.210 Changing Numident Name Data

2. Legal Name

Generally, a person’s legal name is the name on his/her birth certificate unless it has been changed after birth by a legal action, such as marriage or by a court order.

For official purposes, a legal name generally consists of a first (or given name) and a surname (or family name) that must be used to sign legal documents, deeds, or contracts. A middle name (or names) may be included as part of the legal name but whether the middle name is included, omitted or incorrect does not matter.

C. Procedure - Immigration Document as Evidence of Legal Name

When issuing immigration documents, the Department of State and DHS issue them in the person’s legal name. The legal name is also generally the name in which the foreign passport was issued.

When an alien applies for an SSN card, presume the name on the immigration document is the legal name unless the applicant presents evidence of a legal name change (e.g., marriage) that occurred after the immigration document was issued.

In cases where an alien applies for a replacement SSN card and submits an immigration document showing a name that is different from the name on the prior Numident record, accept the immigration document as evidence of the legal name. In these cases, the prior SSN card may have been issued in a name that was not the NH’s legal name.

6. Change of Middle Name to Maiden Name on SSN Card

Lisa Smith Jones applies for a replacement SSN card in that name because she lost her SSN card. The prior Numident records show the names Lisa Marie Smith and Lisa Jones. She submits a driver’s license showing her name as Lisa S. Jones.

It is a common occurrence in the U.S. for a woman to take her maiden name as the middle name after marriage. Because a legal name generally consists of a first or given name and a surname or family name, whether the identity document submitted shows the middle name is included, omitted or incorrect does not matter.

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We understand it doesn't matter. But he wants at least his initial on it ... just like I would. If that's what he wants and their policy still allows for it, he should be able to get it changed so we'll see.