Nike selects Colin Kaepernick for ‘Just Do It’ ad campaign

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

1 minute ago, Enas said:

Again though it's his right. I just feel we step into dangerous territory when we start to say "Protest this but not that." "Don't protest here or at this time." We can talk about perceiving if he's disrespectful to the flag or not but that's still his right I don't like people who burn the flag like I can take kneeling but burning the flag that's a whole other slap in the face but that's still their right. Its the beauty of the US that we get to do these things and do it freely while I other countries you can be jailed for this sort of thing. Democracy is a beauty. 

 

 

But the people who are burning their nikes and cutting their shorts aren't better. Like they don't have a moral high ground to stand on with that. They aren't better than Colin in the Nike regard because to them Sweat Shops weren't a big deal what was a big deal was Colin signing with Nike. Now we can agree that Nike is deal because of its treatment of humans so people should have burned their shoes LONG AGO not because of someone kneeling. Laugh at me but I buy shoes at Payless before I buy Nike shoes. 

 

What about Eric Reid? Why wasn't he offered a job? We can debate about Colin and if he quit and didn't sign a contract but I feel like Eric Reid's case is more compelling. 

 

I choose to respect Pat Tillman over Colin

 

If people are burning their Nikes, they are idiots in my book too, there is a kid out there in beat up old hand me downs that would be ecstatic to have them. The big deal with Colin is he chose to ignore his principals over money

 

I wont laugh at you about payless I shop there too

[Enas 21]

2 minutes ago, Randyandyuni said:

I choose to respect Pat Tillman over Colin

 

If people are burning their Nikes, they are idiots in my book too, there is a kid out there in beat up old hand me downs that would be ecstatic to have them. The big deal with Colin is he chose to ignore his principals over money

 

I wont laugh at you about payless I shop there too

Funny thing about Pat Tillman his wife and friends have all said he would have supported Colin and that they respectfully ask people to stop brining him into the debate like this.

 

lol Payless shoes are great and Ross clothes are amazing. Why spend money on name brands when you can get the same stuff for less. 

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

As to Pat Tillman I think his actions were selfless and done without fanfare, I support Colin's right to protest, I just find he does it in a manner to attract as much attention to him as opposed to his cause,

 

Football is entertainment at that level, do you enjoy movies ? Would you be ok with an actor going offscript and protesting something?

 

Never heard of Ross clothes .. too bad

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

34 minutes ago, Randyandyuni said:

I choose to respect Pat Tillman over Colin

 

If people are burning their Nikes, they are idiots in my book too, there is a kid out there in beat up old hand me downs that would be ecstatic to have them. The big deal with Colin is he chose to ignore his principals over money

 

I wont laugh at you about payless I shop there too

I bought a fair amount of Nike stuff right before it hit. Will not buy more but plan to wear it.

[Enas 21]

25 minutes ago, Randyandyuni said:

As to Pat Tillman I think his actions were selfless and done without fanfare, I support Colin's right to protest, I just find he does it in a manner to attract as much attention to him as opposed to his cause,

 

Football is entertainment at that level, do you enjoy movies ? Would you be ok with an actor going offscript and protesting something?

 

Never heard of Ross clothes .. too bad

In a play yea sure if it's in the middle of a movie I think they would cut that out. 

 

I don't think he denies that either he said he wanted to do a protest to catch everyone's attention and he did just that.

 

also I feel like this is a very nice and polite debate and I thank you for that. 

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

You are welcome

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 hour ago, Enas said:

I get that. It may feel a sense of pride to see everyone standing a feeling of unity of being one nation and one people not separated by religion or race in that one moment and it may feel like "Dude not right here not right now." But again it's a beauty to be able to protest even though we may not agree with how he does it and when he does it. 

It is a sense of pride. And instead of making me think, “what is this guy protesting?  What is his message that perhaps I need to hear?  How can I help spread the word?”, all I feel is frustration that he feels the US sucks so much that he cannot stand and show respect for our flag.

When I am in foreign countries, I stand and render the proper courtesies for their anthems and flags.  Even though I am not their citizen.  It’s just a respect thing.  Their country, their rules, even if I don’t agree with all of them.

 

Yes, it’s his right to do it.  It’s also my right to dislike him for HOW he went about it.  Even if his cause is misguided (police brutality against blacks, oppression against blacks, whatever), had he done it the right way, he would probably have a LOT more support than he does today.  He’s not a hero.  He sacrificed nothing.  He’s just a rich, spoiled half-white kid who knows nothing more about what life as a black is like than you or I.

 

ETA:  I support your Payless shoes.  Me too.  Or Ross, or TJ Maxx, or wherever else I can find shoes for 1/5 the normal price!  (I don’t buy Nike because I have wide feet, not because of CK)

Edited September 14, 2018 by Satisfied

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 hour ago, Randyandyuni said:

As to Pat Tillman I think his actions were selfless and done without fanfare, I support Colin's right to protest, I just find he does it in a manner to attract as much attention to him as opposed to his cause,

 

Football is entertainment at that level, do you enjoy movies ? Would you be ok with an actor going offscript and protesting something?

 

Never heard of Ross clothes .. too bad

GET OUT MORE!!!

Seriously, Ross is a great place to shop for bargain clothing.  $60 pair of mens slacks for $15.  Name brand shoes for $12-20.  Similar to TJ Maxx if you know that store?

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

51 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

It is a sense of pride. And instead of making me think, “what is this guy protesting?  What is his message that perhaps I need to hear?  How can I help spread the word?”, all I feel is frustration that he feels the US sucks so much that he cannot stand and show respect for our flag.

When I am in foreign countries, I stand and render the proper courtesies for their anthems and flags.  Even though I am not their citizen.  It’s just a respect thing.  Their country, their rules, even if I don’t agree with all of them.

 

Yes, it’s his right to do it.  It’s also my right to dislike him for HOW he went about it.  Even if his cause is misguided (police brutality against blacks, oppression against blacks, whatever), had he done it the right way, he would probably have a LOT more support than he does today.  He’s not a hero.  He sacrificed nothing.  He’s just a rich, spoiled half-white kid who knows nothing more about what life as a black is like than you or I.

 

ETA:  I support your Payless shoes.  Me too.  Or Ross, or TJ Maxx, or wherever else I can find shoes for 1/5 the normal price!  (I don’t buy Nike because I have wide feet, not because of CK)

actually its not his right to do it on the job

[Steeleballz 7,550]

28 minutes ago, Marty Byrde said:

actually its not his right to do it on the job

 

  Technically he is within his rights to protest on the employers time. That is to say it's not illegal. It's also his employers right to say we don't need this; take a hike. Which us basically what the 49'ers did.

 

   Hypothetically, if it was Tom Brady was doing this, I have no doubt he would still have a job. Kaepernick just wasn't talented enough to be worth the hassle. Same reason he can't get another job. Most employees would find the same. 

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

Technically he opted out, they chose not to reengage. His mistake was assuming that he was a commodity that was sought after ... Live and learn

[Steeleballz 7,550]

9 minutes ago, Randyandyuni said:

Technically he opted out, they chose not to reengage. His mistake was assuming that he was a commodity that was sought after ... Live and learn

   

   True. I guess my point was as far as his employment was concerned, and as far as the first amendment applies, it probably didn't make a difference when he did it. If the employer didn't agree with it or didn't want the association, the outcome would have been the same. 

 

   I think he probably would have had less of a negative response if he had chosen to protest the same cause, but not doing it during the national anthem. 

 

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

41 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

   

   True. I guess my point was as far as his employment was concerned, and as far as the first amendment applies, it probably didn't make a difference when he did it. If the employer didn't agree with it or didn't want the association, the outcome would have been the same. 

 

   I think he probably would have had less of a negative response if he had chosen to protest the same cause, but not doing it during the national anthem. 

 

Totally agree, it's not the protest his timing is skewed 

[Póg mo 1,749]

2 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

   

   True. I guess my point was as far as his employment was concerned, and as far as the first amendment applies, it probably didn't make a difference when he did it. If the employer didn't agree with it or didn't want the association, the outcome would have been the same. 

 

   I think he probably would have had less of a negative response if he had chosen to protest the same cause, but not doing it during the national anthem. 

 

He did take a lighter and burn a flag. He kneeled during the playing of the anthem. I have never seen more of a over reaction to issue in my life. What a joke. There are much more serious things happening in America today, to get indignant over.  They talk about liberal snow flakes, and then go nuts over a very mild form of protest. 

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

1 hour ago, Póg mo said:

He did take a lighter and burn a flag. He kneeled during the playing of the anthem. I have never seen more of a over reaction to issue in my life. What a joke. There are much more serious things happening in America today, to get indignant over.  They talk about liberal snow flakes, and then go nuts over a very mild form of protest. 

You mean over an actual act as opposed to one taken using a better optic