Pros and cons of filing AOS a little late?

[Jojo92122 1,924]

14 minutes ago, NikLR said:

Not that I've seen please point out these threads where K1 entrants have had ICE arresting them?

Warn them? Yes I have heard and seen that happen. 

In the age of Trump, go ahead and rely on what past administrations have let slide.  If you haven't noticed, there's a new sheriff in town.  While he can't unilaterally change the law, he can change the regulations.  

 

Two different VJ members have reported ICE visiting them for not filing AOS.  Did this ever happen before Trump?  

 

Lawyers are advising some clients not to go to their USCIS meetings because some are being detained by ICE.  Trump is revoking US citizenship.  Stephen Miller is working on immigration.  

 

Rely on past policies at your own risk.

Can you point to the spouse of a USC getting a outright denial of AOS instead of an RFE?  I can't show you anything from the past, but starting September 11, I can show you.  

Edited August 16, 2018 by Jojo92122

[Eric-Pris 1,607]

2 minutes ago, Jojo92122 said:

Trump is revoking US citizenship.

Say what????

[Jojo92122 1,924]

1 minute ago, Eric-Pris said:

Say what????

Welcome to the new normal under Trump.

 

https://www.vox.com/2018/7/18/17561538/denaturalization-citizenship-task-force-janus

[ch3john 308]

11 minutes ago, Jojo92122 said:

Welcome to the new normal under Trump.

 

https://www.vox.com/2018/7/18/17561538/denaturalization-citizenship-task-force-janus

So, you support people who lie and commit fraud to gain citizenship? Interesting

Also, still waiting for links to threads from people on VJ who said ICE showed up at their house because they hadn't filed for AOS after entering on a K-1. Just one or two would suffice, would love to learn more about that. 

[Jojo92122 1,924]

10 minutes ago, ch3john said:

So, you support people who lie and commit fraud to gain citizenship? Interesting

Also, still waiting for links to threads from people on VJ who said ICE showed up at their house because they hadn't filed for AOS after entering on a K-1. Just one or two would suffice, would love to learn more about that. 

Where did I say that I support people who lie and commit fraud to gain citizenship?    Nowhere.  

Make more presumptions, like immigration regulations under Trump are the same as under Obama.

 

Have you EVER heard of ICE coming to someone's home because they had not file for AOS before?  None under Obama.  Two VJ members since Trump took office.  

 

What past administrations have let slide will no longer be true under Trump and Stephen Miller.   

Edited August 16, 2018 by Jojo92122

[Crazy Cat 42,123]

8 minutes ago, ch3john said:

Also, still waiting for links to threads from people on VJ who said ICE showed up at their house because they hadn't filed for AOS after entering on a K-1. Just one or two would suffice, would love to learn more about that. 

@Richard Moss posted this on March 21st

 

"my visa service said that there is no real time limit after marriage (within 90 days of arrival) the immigration agents that knocked on my door this morning said that there was but couldn't tell me where it is documented.  we are preparing the paperwork now  after being married on December 5th.... the 90 days did not expire until January 13.  Can someone tell me who is correct? the immigration agents were very nice by the way but said my wife was subject to arrest?  "

[ch3john 308]

1 minute ago, Jojo92122 said:

Where did I say that I support people who lie and commit fraud to gain citizenship?    Nowhere.  

Make more presumptions, like immigration regulations under Trump are the same as under Obama.

 

Have you EVER heard of ICE coming to someone's home because they had not file for AOS before?  None under Obama.  Two VJ members since Trump took office.  

You seemed outraged that the Trump admin is taking away citizenship away from people. The link you posted from vox.com (LOL), is about denaturalization of people who lied and committed fraud to gain citizenship. 

 

No, I have NEVER heard of ICE coming to someone's home because they had not filed for AOS. That's why it has been asked from you many times to share links to those who have. You said two VJ members have, I have YET to see what you're talking about. 

[Ben&Zian 4,398]

I do recall the one poster from Vegas I think who said some men showed up at their door; but still, even if they did, if you're out of status, you're out of status... why is this hard for people the understand? When you get any sort of visa, you are responsible to understand the terms of that visa. For K-1's, you know, you need to marry within 90 days and then adjust status... if you go out of status (expired I-94) you are able to be detained and deported. Why are simple rules and laws, which have been in place for decades, so hard for people to understand? Everyone just wants to whine and cry and tell sob stories and blame the "current climate" or Trump, when the blame solely lies on themselves for failing to fulfill the obligations they agreed to. Don't want to follow the laws? Don't bother getting the visa then.

[Michelle M 133]

13 hours ago, Jojo92122 said:

There's no such thing as automatic deportation.  She went before an immigration judge.  

 

What prevents ICE from arresting you and taking you into immigration detention?  The ICE officer is going to listen to your reasons?  Or is he going to arrest you and let the immigration court sort it out?

 

You've been on VJ for year.  Have you ever seen anyone say there are pros to going out of status and filing AOS late?  You are the only one that thinks there is a pro to filing AOS late.  You are convinced you don't have a problem. 

Rock on sister.

 

Best of luck.  

The only stipulation the K1 visa has which would make you out of status is if you aren't married within the 90 days.  The I-94 expires on the 90th day, that's it.  Filing for AOS is so you can have the benefits of work and travel, but you are not illegal just because you didn't file within the 90 days.

[Crazy Cat 42,123]

1 minute ago, Ben&Zian said:

I do recall the one poster from Vegas I think who said some men showed up at their door; but still, even if they did, if you're out of status, you're out of status... why is this hard for people the understand? When you get any sort of visa, you are responsible to understand the terms of that visa. For K-1's, you know, you need to marry within 90 days and then adjust status... if you go out of status (expired I-94) you are able to be detained and deported. Why are simple rules and laws, which have been in place for decades, so hard for people to understand? Everyone just wants to whine and cry and tell sob stories and blame the "current climate" or Trump, when the blame solely lies on themselves for failing to fulfill the obligations they agreed to. Don't want to follow the laws? Don't bother getting the visa then.

That poster was @Richard Moss

[Jojo92122 1,924]

Just now, ch3john said:

You seemed outraged that the Trump admin is taking away citizenship away from people. The link you posted from vox.com (LOL), is about denaturalization of people who lied and committed fraud to gain citizenship. 

 

No, I have NEVER heard of ICE coming to someone's home because they had not filed for AOS. That's why it has been asked from you many times to share links to those who have. You said two VJ members have, I have YET to see what you're talking about. 

Where did I say that I was outraged that Trump admin is taking away citizenship from people?  Nowhere, once again.

 

The POINT is that Trump is more aggressive about going after people than past administrations.  VJ is good for researching past precedents.  VJ members are not professionals who keep up on the current happenings in dealing with USCIS and ICE.  People can not rely on what happened under Obama.  The rules have changed.  That's my point, not being outraged at people getting their citizenship taken away.

Search VJ for those two members who got visits.  Misselman knows about it.  Ask him or use the search function on VJ yourself.  

[Ben&Zian 4,398]

2 minutes ago, Michelle M said:

The only stipulation the K1 visa has which would make you out of status is if you aren't married within the 90 days.  The I-94 expires on the 90th day, that's it.  Filing for AOS is so you can have the benefits of work and travel, but you are not illegal just because you didn't file within the 90 days.

 

Umm... wrong... once the I-94 expires, you're out of status until you get the NOA1 for adjustment of status.... 

 

Just being married means nothing. That's like people who use kids as evidence of relationship... just means you had sex nothing more.

Edited August 16, 2018 by Ben&Zian

[Crazy Cat 42,123]

1 minute ago, Michelle M said:

The only stipulation the K1 visa has which would make you out of status is if you aren't married within the 90 days.  The I-94 expires on the 90th day, that's it.  Filing for AOS is so you can have the benefits of work and travel, but you are not illegal just because you didn't file within the 90 days.

Not correct.  If a K-1 spouse fails to file for Adjustment of Status withing 90 days of entry (I-94 expiration), he/she is in unlawful presence and subject to deportation....

[Jojo92122 1,924]

3 minutes ago, Ben&Zian said:

I do recall the one poster from Vegas I think who said some men showed up at their door; but still, even if they did, if you're out of status, you're out of status... why is this hard for people the understand? When you get any sort of visa, you are responsible to understand the terms of that visa. For K-1's, you know, you need to marry within 90 days and then adjust status... if you go out of status (expired I-94) you are able to be detained and deported. Why are simple rules and laws, which have been in place for decades, so hard for people to understand? Everyone just wants to whine and cry and tell sob stories and blame the "current climate" or Trump, when the blame solely lies on themselves for failing to fulfill the obligations they agreed to. Don't want to follow the laws? Don't bother getting the visa then.

Because you have people who think they are special.  They think they are special and immune.  Then you get VJ members who say not to worry about it without considering what is happening to immigration rules under Trump.  

[Jojo92122 1,924]

3 minutes ago, Michelle M said:

The only stipulation the K1 visa has which would make you out of status is if you aren't married within the 90 days.  The I-94 expires on the 90th day, that's it.  Filing for AOS is so you can have the benefits of work and travel, but you are not illegal just because you didn't file within the 90 days.

What's the legal status of someone who stays past the date on her I-94 without another legal staus?  Legal or not legal?  There is no middle ground.  

 

Not illegal = legal?????????  What do you mean by "not illegal?"