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Visa queues frustrate Balkans

By Penny Johnson

Belgrade

http://news.bbc.co.uk BBC NEWS

Long queues, paperwork and no guarantee of a visa at the end of it

Croatian nationals now no longer need a visa to visit the UK. But what of the other countries of the former Yugoslavia?

Every morning lines of people stretch along certain streets in the Serbian capital, Belgrade.

The days of queuing for bread may be over here, but the people of the Western Balkans still have to wait.

They do not want much - to go on holiday, visit friends or family, study or work abroad, opportunities which are taken for granted by most people in Europe.

However, for anyone from Serbia and Montenegro, Bosnia, Macedonia or Albania, getting a visa is no easy matter.

No guarantee

First a long wait outside an embassy must be endured.

Once inside, a prodigious amount of paperwork is needed - a letter of invitation, proof of income and occupation, birth certificate, proof of address and sometimes even bank statements.

The EU visa is the worst - it's putting people off travelling because it's such a hassle

Milos Pavlovic

Student

At the end of all this there is still no guarantee a visa will be issued. Any query and it is back to the end of the queue and another day spent waiting in the cold.

Even with a successful application, the process takes weeks and costs money. Last minute mini-breaks are not an option.

Everyone who has travelled to Europe has a tale of visa-queue woe. Milos Pavlovic, 27, a student says: "It's a real hassle getting hold of all the documents. They ask for some pretty impossible things.

"The EU visa is the worst... It's putting people off travelling because it's such a hassle.

"It takes weeks to get all the documents together, then you get to the embassy and wait and then they tell you 'Oh, we're sorry your application has been declined and we're keeping your money'. It's ridiculous."

Awareness

These stringent restrictions are a relic from the 1990s, when the Balkan wars and sanctions against Yugoslavia were in full force and there was a fear of refugees flooding into the rest of Europe.

Rajko Bozic: We want to make things easier for applicants

The wars are now history and the countries of the former Yugoslavia are now democracies, yet the freedom to travel is more restrictive than it was under communism.

Few people outside the countries concerned are aware of these difficulties.

This week the Citizen's Pact for South Eastern Europe is launching a book of short stories called Stories from Visa Queues. It is full of Kafkaesque tales of bureaucracy and rejection.

It is part of the Visa Awareness Campaign which was set up four years ago with the aim of liberalising visas within the Western Balkans and eventually abolishing them altogether.

"We want to make it easier for people who are applying," says Rajko Bozic, communications officer for the Citizens Pact.

"Even though you have all the necessary documents there is no guarantee that a visa will be given to you. You may need to travel several times to the capital which costs a lot and takes time."

'Vicious circle'

The result is a generation of young people whose only experience of other cultures and countries is what they have seen on TV or at the cinema.

Recent statistics show that in Serbia more than 75% of people under 25 have never travelled abroad.

Without being able to leave their own country, people have no comparisons to make. They have no incentive to see that life can be better.

Mr Bozic points out that kind of cultural isolation can only have negative effects. He wonders why anyone would want to be part of an EU they cannot visit, and why they should make any efforts towards reform.

He adds that the resentment caused by the visa issue is leading to a vicious circle.

"We are full of self-pity and we have no initiative because we're left behind - and we're left behind because we have no initiative and we're full of self-pity. We want to break this cycle."

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There's been similar unrest in Poland about getting American visas. You have to admit that the Polish argument is strong: Poland has been an ally in the War on Terror and championed American policy even when much of Europe did not; Poland's rejection of communism helped set the stage for the crumbling of the Eastern Bloc; Polish immigrants' contributions to American society are well documented. And yet Poland is not a VWP country and tourist visas are very difficult to get.

None of this should be taken to mean that I deny the right of any country to set immigration policy as it sees fit. But it is also frustrating when visa applicants are not treated with any dignity or respect. It surely doesn't make for better relations or feelings between any two given nations.

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There's been similar unrest in Poland about getting American visas. You have to admit that the Polish argument is strong: Poland has been an ally in the War on Terror and championed American policy even when much of Europe did not; Poland's rejection of communism helped set the stage for the crumbling of the Eastern Bloc; Polish immigrants' contributions to American society are well documented. And yet Poland is not a VWP country and tourist visas are very difficult to get.

None of this should be taken to mean that I deny the right of any country to set immigration policy as it sees fit. But it is also frustrating when visa applicants are not treated with any dignity or respect. It surely doesn't make for better relations or feelings between any two given nations.

As far as I see it, it is a matter of resources. Countries restrict entry because they do not want to share their resources with the foreigners. Not that all who seek visa do it to be a negative on the destination country's resources. Great many of them just want to see the world. They spend money..they contribute also.

Tourists with enough funds can almost always get visas to anywhere.

On the other hand, I think, it would be less than fair to restrict movement of persons while encouraging movement of goods, capital accross the borders.

Is not it strange that 19th century was truly globalist in the sense that you could go almost anywhere you wanted to without as many restrictions ? And they say this is the age of globalization...

I am now a US citizen.

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Article re: Poland.

http://www.slate.com/id/2127576/

Abby (U.S.) and Ewen (Scotland): We laughed. We cried. Our witness didn't speak English. Happily married (finally), 27 December 2006.

Latest news: Green card received 16 April 2007. USCIS-free until 3 January 2009! Eligible to naturalize 3 April 2010.

Click on the "timeline" link at the left to view our timeline. And don't forget to update yours!

The London Interviews Thread: Wait times, interview dates, and chitchat for all visa types

The London Waivers Thread: For I-601 or I-212 applicants in London (UK, Ireland, and Scandinavia)

The London Graduates Thread: Moving stateside, AOS, and OT for London applicants and petitioners

all the mud in this town, all the dirt in this world

none of it sticks on you, you shake it off

'cause you're better than that, and you don't need it

there's nothing wrong with you

--Neil Finn

On second thought, let us not go to Camelot. 'Tis a silly place.

--Monty Python and the Holy Grail

 

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