Trump proposal would make it harder for legal immigrants to gain citizenship (merged)

[NikV 44]

I say close the border, stop immigration and see what happens in few decades. would be interesting to see

[Liam2021 582]

3 minutes ago, bananite said:

Obamacare was listed as one of the forms of "welfare" in the article that can disqualify you. This is why it's so frightening. 

 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/now-trump-administration-wants-limit-citizenship-legal-immigrants-n897931

Unless it come from the trusted sources like USCIS or DHS.

[yuna628 9,665]

Jaquelly, your immigrant ancestor coming through Ellis Island 'legally' has no bearing on the subject of this thread any more than my own immigrant ancestor coming through Ellis Island 'legally' does. But they still had to put up with the same old, same old nonsense they are trying to pull now.

 

To put this in a way everyone could understand, the government wrote laws that stated that USCs and legal immigrants have legal access to certain services. This is not a lie on the part of previous administrations - this is law and legal policy.

 

The government now wants to say that legal immigrants cannot have access to those services, if they have used those services (and it's not clear how retroactive it will be as the original policy memo I saw was quiet on this subject but went into even greater depth) this will be grounds for denial in a process that is their legal right to undertake. Furthermore, if their USC, legally has access to these services, as is their Constitutional right as a citizen, their use would case harm towards their immigrant spouse, or children towards their parents. It is neither in the spirit of the law nor is any way shape or form legal. But if this administration wants to really go down this path - they will lose it.

 

These are USCs, and their legal LPRs who came here the right way, pay taxes, and may utilize services which are legal for them to use.

 

I'm curious what else this new memo implies to say. The old one went so far as to say if a USC and their immigrant spouse did not buy ANY health insurance, or did not maintain health insurance continually (which is also against the law!) they would be penalized. This is not smart immigration policy, it's downright harmful stupidity.

 

[Chris&Ale 153]

2 minutes ago, Jaquelly said:

 

You can quote me directly instead of being inflammatory.

 

I have made it clear that I do not support Donald Trump or his administration.

 

Immigrating to America is not a right, it is a privilege, as it would be for any country. It should work better for us, but blaming that entirely on JUST this president is foolish and a poor way to look at the situation.

Ma'am, I am not calling you out personally. I would counter your point about immigrating being a right. Under the laws of this country, I, as a US citizen, have a right to sponsor my fiance/spouse or other qualifying persons. Therefore, it is my right just like any other right I enjoy as an American. 

 

As far as blaming the current president, it most certainly is justified. Since he became president, processing times have increased dramatically. It's his administration. Remember the saying, the buck stops here? 

[Ben & Katy 168]

11 minutes ago, Chris&Ale said:

It's amazing to find people on here who have brought spouses and other family members here but at the same time, seem to support politicians who are anti-immigrant and who are trying to make it more and more difficult for our loved ones to legally immigrate to be with us.

 

Do you guys not realize that those same politicians would like to prevent your loved ones from immigrating here or naturalizing as well? Of course, typical conservative response: I've got mine; so crew you and your family.

 

The government represents us and should work better for us. It's insane to have to wait years for fiance and then AOS applications to be processed. Some European countries are able to have it completed in about 3 months.

Its because they think it wont affect them.  I find it to be a bunch of baloney too to support someone like this if you are here on this site.  I have a friend like that.  He married a Brazilian that was here for years working and living here illegally.  Once she did her AOS he was like, "build the wall, you should come here the right way."  

[Jaquelly 1,647]

Just now, Chris&Ale said:

Ma'am, I am not calling you out personally. I would counter your point about immigrating being a right. Under the laws of this country, I, as a US citizen, have a right to sponsor my fiance/spouse or other qualifying persons. Therefore, it is my right just like any other right I enjoy as an American. 

 

As far as blaming the current president, it most certainly is justified. Since he became president, processing times have increased dramatically. It's his administration. Remember the saying, the buck stops here? 

 

The processing times ebb and flow. Every year. There were crazy long periods when Obama was president. You can look it up. 

 

1 minute ago, yuna628 said:

Jaquelly, your immigrant ancestor coming through Ellis Island 'legally' has no bearing on the subject of this thread any more than my own immigrant ancestor coming through Ellis Island 'legally' does. But they still had to put up with the same old, same old nonsense they are trying to pull now.

 

To put this in a way everyone could understand, the government wrote laws that stated that USCs and legal immigrants have legal access to certain services. This is not a lie on the part of previous administrations - this is law and legal policy.

 

The government now wants to say that legal immigrants cannot have access to those services, if they have used those services (and it's not clear how retroactive it will be as the original policy memo I saw was quiet on this subject but went into even greater depth) this will be grounds for denial in a process that is their legal right to undertake. Furthermore, if their USC, legally has access to these services, as is their Constitutional right as a citizen, their use would case harm towards their immigrant spouse, or children towards their parents. It is neither in the spirit of the law nor is any way shape or form legal. But if this administration wants to really go down this path - they will lose it.

 

These are USCs, and their legal LPRs who came here the right way, pay taxes, and may utilize services which are legal for them to use.

 

I'm curious what else this new memo implies to say. The old one went so far as to say if a USC and their immigrant spouse did not buy ANY health insurance, or did not maintain health insurance continually (which is also against the law!) they would be penalized. This is not smart immigration policy, it's downright harmful stupidity.

 

 

Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me in that way. I am genuinely grateful.

 

My confusion is this, and hopefully you (all of you) can help me better understand:

 

When I filled out my affidavit of support for my husband, it was made clear to me that I was to take care of him. Financially. That he was NOT to become a public charge.

 

As of now, the USCs and LPRs aren't in danger of their rights to move forward, but if this passes, they will be. But we technically don't even know if they can make it retroactive to actions taken before the law was passed?

 

Thank you in advance. 

 

[Lucky2Lucky 2,526]

I thought my LPR husband could not receive gov assisted benefits...how does this change anything?!

[Jaquelly 1,647]

5 minutes ago, Chris&Ale said:

Ma'am, I am not calling you out personally. I would counter your point about immigrating being a right. Under the laws of this country, I, as a US citizen, have a right to sponsor my fiance/spouse or other qualifying persons. Therefore, it is my right just like any other right I enjoy as an American. 

 

As far as blaming the current president, it most certainly is justified. Since he became president, processing times have increased dramatically. It's his administration. Remember the saying, the buck stops here? 

https://egov.uscis.gov/processing-times/historic-pt Just so you have it in the future.

[Roel 7,192]

13 minutes ago, NikV said:

I say close the border, stop immigration and see what happens in few decades. would be interesting to see

Nothing would happen. Americans have so many kids the population would be just fine. 

[bananite 67]

1 minute ago, Luckycuds said:

I thought my LPR husband could not receive gov assisted benefits...how does this change anything?!

Because Obamacare is being counted as government assistance....despite it being MANDATORY for some people. Including my LPR and myself. 

[NikV 44]

1 minute ago, Roel said:

Nothing would happen. Americans have so many kids the population would be just fine. 

sure! you know it all!

[yuna628 9,665]

Just now, Jaquelly said:

 

The processing times ebb and flow. Every year. There were crazy long periods when Obama was president. You can look it up. 

 

 

Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me in that way. I am genuinely grateful.

 

My confusion is this, and hopefully you (all of you) can help me better understand:

 

When I filled out my affidavit of support for my husband, it was made clear to me that I was to take care of him. Financially. That he was NOT to become a public charge.

 

As of now, the USCs and LPRs aren't in danger of their rights to move forward, but if this passes, they will be. But we technically don't even know if they can make it retroactive to actions taken before the law was passed?

 

Thank you in advance. 

 

We do indeed sign those agreements of financial support. And legal immigrants are also bound to not use things which are restricted under ''public charge'' rules. But the federal exchange (Obamacare) is NOT, I repeat, is NOT, anything to do with being a public charge. Furthermore, even if a USC spouse uses benefits which might fall under the ''public charge'' section, but their LPR spouse does not, this is also all perfectly legal. Having legal health insurance which does not fall under ''assistance'' which is purchased via an exchange and paid to a private health insurance company does not constitute being a public charge. It's called being responsible and having health insurance. LPRs and their USC spouses who get to claim any, if at all benefit of a subsidy by having a reduction in their payment, is still not in any way shape or form ''a public charge'', and is very tiny a number. Most who sign up to O'care do not get payment reduction, and pay the same dang high premium as anyone else does, on the same dang plan you could call up the insurance company and get anyway, you know?

[Roel 7,192]

Just now, NikV said:

sure! you know it all!

There are many countires that don't have half the immigrants as US does and somehow they are doing just fine. So yeah. US would survive without immigrants.

[rock4blaqkhearts 12]

16 minutes ago, NikV said:

I say close the border, stop immigration and see what happens in few decades. would be interesting to see

What are you implying would change?

[bananite 67]

Just now, Roel said:

There are many countires that don't have half the immigrants as US does and somehow they are doing just fine. So yeah. US would survive without immigrants.

Then why are you even on this site...