No One Should Believe a Word Trump Says About the Trump Tower Meeting

[smilesammich 10,727]

or anything else for that matter but, let's focus.

 

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They used to say there were no contacts with Russians, period. Then they said there were contacts, but the Americans involved were low-level nobodies on the campaign. Then they admitted there was a meeting at Trump Tower between the campaign manager, the president's son, his son-in-law, and some Russians, but that it was about "adoptions" and the president didn't know about it. Now, as of this past weekend, the president admits what we all knew a year ago: the Russians specifically promised dirt on Hillary Clinton, which is why the meeting happened.

Donald J. Trump
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 Fake News reporting, a complete fabrication, that I am concerned about the meeting my wonderful son, Donald, had in Trump Tower. This was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics - and it went nowhere. I did not know about it!

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Lock up my wonderful son, Donald, if you must! I had nothing to do with it! And we didn't get anything! And it was all legal and happens all the time!

As usual, the president occupies that area where Covering His Bases becomes He Doth Protest Too Much. (Also, who had Summer '18 in the betting on how long it would take him to throw his own son under the bus?) If the meeting was totally above-board, as they still say, why have they lied about every single aspect of it, at every stage?

Looking forward, why would anyone believe anything the Trump folks say about the meeting from here on out? Trump is still pushing the longtime Trumpworld tale that they got nothing out of the meeting—as if you could break into a bank vault and, if it's empty, the cops would just shake your hand and send you home. Trump is here admitting, in public, to an attempted conspiracy with agents of a hostile foreign power. But even if you take the president's line that an attempted crime is not a crime, there is no reason to believe him when he says it was only attempted.

Again: they have lied about every aspect of the meeting, from its very existence, to who was there, to why they attended. Why wouldn't they lie about what they got out of it, too?

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a22651260/trump-tower-meeting-lies/

 

 

Edited August 6, 2018 by smilesammich

[Dashinka 24,489]

This is really a stretch from the leftist media.  Trump said essentially the same thing about the meeting a year ago at a news conference, so all this is hardly news, but the left wing "unbiased" reporters have chosen to omit those facts (surprise surprise).  Now we get an editorial from this leftist Jack Holmes that thinks he and his left leaning colleagues are smart.  Any idiot could tell the meeting was to try and get opposition research on Hillary, and the go-betweens setting the meeting up all but promised this.  However, when the meeting happened and the Russian lawyer only wanted to lobby against the Magnitsky Act and discuss Russian adoption it was ended.  Really not much here and Mr. Holmes completely ignores the fact that there was a campaign that actually did get foreign opposition research that came from Russia and it wasn't the Trump team.

 

 

[smilesammich 10,727]

5 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

This is really a stretch from the leftist media.  Trump said essentially the same thing about the meeting a year ago at a news conference, so all this is hardly news, but the left wing "unbiased" reporters have chosen to omit those facts (surprise surprise).  Now we get an editorial from this leftist Jack Holmes that thinks he and his left leaning colleagues are smart.  Any idiot could tell the meeting was to try and get opposition research on Hillary, and the go-betweens setting the meeting up all but promised this.  However, when the meeting happened and the Russian lawyer only wanted to lobby against the Magnitsky Act and discuss Russian adoption it was ended.  Really not much here and Mr. Holmes completely ignores the fact that there was a campaign that actually did get foreign opposition research that came from Russia and it wasn't the Trump team.

 

 

so, what's the stretch again? 

i think i remember having arguments with folks here about the meeting being about adoptions, and how trump had nothing to do with it. but of course, this was the lie being fed to the public at the time.

 

Trump lawyers say he 'dictated' statement on Trump Tower meeting, contradicting past denials

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The letter revealed on Saturday puts to bed the question of Trump's involvement, but it doesn't erase the previous denials from the record. Here are those examples.

Trump lawyer Sekulow, CNN interview, 7/12/17: "That was written, no that was written by Donald Trump Jr. and I'm sure with consultation with his lawyer. That wasn't written by the president."

Sekulow, ABC interview, 7/12/17: "The president didn't sign off on anything. He was coming back from the G20. The statement that was released Saturday was released by Donald Trump Jr., I'm sure in consultation with his lawyers. The President wasn't involved in that."

Sekulow, NBC interview, 7/16/17: "The President was not — did not — draft the response. The response came from Donald Trump Jr. and — I'm sure — in consultation with his lawyer. ... Let me say this — but I do want to be clear — that the President was not involved in the drafting of the statement and did not issue the statement. It came from Donald Trump Jr.

Sekulow, statement to the Washington Post, 7/31/17: "Apart from being of no consequence, the characterizations are misinformed, inaccurate, and not pertinent."

White House press secretary Sarah Sanders, daily press briefing, 8/1/17: "He certainly didn't dictate, but he -- like I said, he weighed in, offered suggestion like any father would do.

 

 

[Dashinka 24,489]

2 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

so, what's the stretch again? 

i think i remember having arguments with folks here about the meeting being about adoptions, and how trump had nothing to do with it. but of course, this was the lie being fed to the public at the time.

 

Trump lawyers say he 'dictated' statement on Trump Tower meeting, contradicting past denials

 

 

The fact that this whole thing is even newsworthy.  As to other arguments, it is what it is, the Trump team thought it was going to be Hillary dirt (or were led to believe this by the meeting organizers), the lawyer saw it as lobbying against the Magnitsky Act, and both walked away with nothing in short order.  Whether Trump himself new about it beforehand really has no bearing on anything, but there again, he has maintained for more than a year he did not.  That has been the consistent message from day one regardless of the obviously biased Mr. Holmes and his friends at the far left Esquire.

 

The whole hubbub about the meeting is just another example of the media's bias that many fail to see, I guess any foreign contact for opposition research has to be conducted (laundered) through "legal services" and a different (friendly) 3rd foreign entity to make the media ignore it. 

[smilesammich 10,727]

3 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

The fact that this whole thing is even newsworthy.  As to other arguments, it is what it is, the Trump team thought it was going to be Hillary dirt (or were led to believe this by the meeting organizers), the lawyer saw it as lobbying against the Magnitsky Act, and both walked away with nothing in short order.  Whether Trump himself new about it beforehand really has no bearing on anything, but there again, he has maintained for more than a year he did not.  That has been the consistent message from day one regardless of the obviously biased Mr. Holmes and his friends at the far left Esquire.

 

The whole hubbub about the meeting is just another example of the media's bias that many fail to see, I guess any foreign contact for opposition research has to be conducted (laundered) through "legal services" and a different (friendly) 3rd foreign entity to make the media ignore it. 

it actually does. 

trump maintained he didn't know about the meeting, he also tried to maintain he didn't write trump jr's response. 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

The fact that this whole thing is even newsworthy.  As to other arguments, it is what it is, the Trump team thought it was going to be Hillary dirt (or were led to believe this by the meeting organizers), the lawyer saw it as lobbying against the Magnitsky Act, and both walked away with nothing in short order.  Whether Trump himself new about it beforehand really has no bearing on anything, but there again, he has maintained for more than a year he did not.  That has been the consistent message from day one regardless of the obviously biased Mr. Holmes and his friends at the far left Esquire.

 

The whole hubbub about the meeting is just another example of the media's bias that many fail to see, I guess any foreign contact for opposition research has to be conducted (laundered) through "legal services" and a different (friendly) 3rd foreign entity to make the media ignore it. 

So a presidential candidates team met with a foreign agent to get dirt on the other candidate. ?? What is this sounding familiar to me. Did Trump pay for a fake dossier.  Its the freaking hypocrisy that bothers me more than anything. 

[smilesammich 10,727]

8 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

So a presidential candidates team met with a foreign agent to get dirt on the other candidate. ?? What is this sounding familiar to me. Did Trump pay for a fake dossier.  Its the freaking hypocrisy that bothers me more than anything. 

bunch of misinformation in your comment. misinformation bothers me.

 

any of this sound familiar?

DONALD TRUMP IS TWISTING HIMSELF IN KNOTS TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING

The making of the Steele dossier

 

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2 hours ago, smilesammich said:

it actually does. 

trump maintained he didn't know about the meeting, he also tried to maintain he didn't write trump jr's response. 

Has his stance changed?  I believe he is still saying he didn't know about the meeting before it happened.  Of course he knows about it now.

[Dashinka 24,489]

41 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

bunch of misinformation in your comment. misinformation bothers me.

 

any of this sound familiar?

DONALD TRUMP IS TWISTING HIMSELF IN KNOTS TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING

The making of the Steele dossier

 

Interesting, WaPo leaves out some relevant facts such as when did Steele meet with his Russian contacts?  How much of the original Washington Free Beacon information went into Steele's work (FGPS's testimony to congress seemed to say none).  And this little tidbit:  "However, the U.S. intelligence community has concluded that the Russians engaged in an elaborate operation to swing the election to Trump."  I haven't seen that yet, although there is evidence the Russians were trying to sow political discord, was it to help Trump or to hurt the anticipated winner?

 

Regardless, this focus by the biased media at this point seems out-of-place considering Trump said the same thing a year ago (July 2017).

[smilesammich 10,727]

6 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Has his stance changed?  I believe he is still saying he didn't know about the meeting before it happened.  Of course he knows about it now.

trump maintains he didn't know about it before hand. if he lied about every development regarding the meeting every step of the way, why should anyone think he's telling the truth when he says he didn't know about?

point being, "no one should believe a word trump says about the trump tower meeting" 

see also, The Boy Who Cried Wolf

 

[smilesammich 10,727]

6 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Interesting, WaPo leaves out some relevant facts such as when did Steele meet with his Russian contacts?  How much of the original Washington Free Beacon information went into Steele's work (FGPS's testimony to congress seemed to say none).  And this little tidbit:  "However, the U.S. intelligence community has concluded that the Russians engaged in an elaborate operation to swing the election to Trump."  I haven't seen that yet, although there is evidence the Russians were trying to sow political discord, was it to help Trump or to hurt the anticipated winner?

 

Regardless, this focus by the biased media at this point seems out-of-place considering Trump said the same thing a year ago (July 2017).

no, he didn't say the same thing a year ago.

[Dashinka 24,489]

8 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

no, he didn't say the same thing a year ago.

He didn't?  He said he didn't know about the meeting beforehand, and he said the reason they took the meeting was for potential opposition research but it turned into a discussion about the Magnitsky Act.  Again, nothing new to be all worked up about, but I guess the biased media needs to keep recycling old news.

[smilesammich 10,727]

3 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

He didn't?  He said he didn't know about the meeting beforehand, and he said the reason they took the meeting was for potential opposition research but it turned into a discussion about the Magnitsky Act.  Again, nothing new to be all worked up about, but I guess the biased media needs to keep recycling old news.

the initial reponse trump drafted for his son made no mention of clinton. trump initially stated (for jr) it was about adoptions. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/donald-trump-jrs-two-different-explanations-for-russian-meeting.html

then they tried to get ahead of nyt reporting and jr released his email exchanges regarding the meeting.

but you're right, none of this is new, anyone with a brain gets that trump's practically speaks in nothing but falsehoods and misleading statements. the reason you're seeing the 'biased media' reporting on it, is because of trump's recent tweeting on the subject.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Knew about it or not still a nothing sammich 

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, Nature Boy Flair said:

Knew about it or not still a nothing sammich 

there's a reason he's been lying about not knowing.