N-336 form after n-400 denied

[Benada 0]

53 minutes ago, randomstairs said:

If it was an honest mistake you do have a chance to preserve the LPR status, as I said (forget the N-400 for now). If you honestly believed you were a USC (as many immigrants who become LPRs as children do, for some reason) you did not commit the offence. But the burden of proof is on you. I would not advise filing for GC renewal without a lawyer. You may be asked in I-90 about misrepresenting yourself as a USC. 

What is lpr?

[randomstairs 303]

8 minutes ago, TNJ17 said:

Oh whatever. How is this a Democrat thing? I’m pretty sure that it doesn’t matter whether they are a democrat or republican or whatever for them to not bother with checking IDs. That shoutout to democrats was uncalled for and ignorant. 

Yeah I don’t get it either. That is as basic as it gets. 

The "voter suppression" claims in connection with checking IDs come from the Democrats alone, and are based on the notion that it's harder to obtain the IDs for marginalized groups. I'm not judging those claims, just stating the fact that they are being made. I also, as mentioned, empathize with many LPRs who honestly believed they could vote. Many USCs by birth also seem to confuse GCs with naturalized citizenship. So it's not unheard of.     

[randomstairs 303]

4 minutes ago, Benada said:

What is lpr?

See? This is proving my point. Many people who become LPRs as small children do not even know their status. I'm not judging them. They just don't spend much time on immigration forums  I get it that that's hard to understand for those of us who have been obsessively researching immigration issues for years.  

[Benada 0]

Just now, love_my_wife said:

LPR - Legal Permanent Resident

 How is it different from lpr and green card? Or is it the same thing? 

[randomstairs 303]

1 minute ago, Benada said:

 How is it different from lpr and green card? Or is it the same thing? 

It's the same thing. Green card is a document you need to prove your LPR status. If you lose the GC, that doesn't impact your status. 

[Hypnos 6,576]

An LPR in Grand Prairie, TX, was recently sentenced to eight years for voting illegally, and will likely be deported at the end of her prison term:

 

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/article132520219.html

Edited July 24, 2018 by Hypnos

[SleepyPanda 10]

9 hours ago, love_my_wife said:

Well, I don't know which country you are originally from, but it is basic and common sense and knowledge that only citizens of a country are allowed to vote in their elections. This should have stopped you from registering to vote and then voting. I have never thought of registering to vote in my wildest of dreams!

This isn't always true. If you live in the UK and you are from a commonwealth country (i.e. India)  then you are allowed to vote in local elections.

 

I think it was an honest mistake by the OP. Why would a person do something that they know is illegal and then admit it at an interview that would jeopardize thair n400 application and LPR status. As everyone said, I would lawyer up and let the lawyer guide you on how to establish evidence to prove your innocence. Good luck.

[CarlHamilton 252]

"By mistake" won't fool anyone who matters.  Immigration officers are not idiots, and neither are judges. 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

10 hours ago, randomstairs said:

Yeah, I know  In California the DMV is automatically registering all citizens who apply for new DL or ID. So far no errors happened with regards to non-citizens but they did duplicate some registrations and unregistered many from their party. That was a big deal in CA this year.

After living in CA for 5 years I highly doubt this. They just allow people to walk up and vote on provisional ballots if they aren't you on the registered rolls and they don't check your ID to see if you are who you say you are.

[CheeseMonstah 87]

I understand, I too once tripped on the curb and almost ended up voting by accident. A friend of mine had a case of hiccups that was so bad he accidentally ended up running for election. These things happen by accident all the time.

[geowrian 22,337]

34 minutes ago, SleepyPanda said:

As everyone said, I would lawyer up and let the lawyer guide you on how to establish evidence to prove your innocence.

No innocence here...the OP committed a very serious crime. Maybe they can plead ignorance and hope for leniency with immigration, but not innocence.

[Going through 5,671]

12 hours ago, Benada said:

I was denied us citizenship with n-400 form and interview ( i passed the interview) but when i was asked if i voted presidency in 2016 and i realized i did by mistake

You said you were *asked* this during the interview.  I'm curious what you declared on the N400 application itself (Part 12) where it asks 3 very specific questions about whether or not you have registered to vote, have actually voted, and/or claimed to be a US citizen.  If you answered "yes" to any one of those questions, (and you should have answered "yes" to the second one, what was your included explanation with your application?

 

If you answered "no" to any of those questions, you also misrepresented yourself, and appears your voter registration came up during background/name checks.

 

You can renew your green card, but forget about citizenship for a while.  I would suggest also getting yourself removed from the voter registration list.

[CarlHamilton 252]

2 minutes ago, Going through said:

You said you were *asked* this during the interview.  I'm curious what you declared on the N400 application itself (Part 12) where it asks 3 very specific questions about whether or not you have registered to vote, have actually voted, and/or claimed to be a US citizen.  If you answered "yes" to any one of those questions, (and you should have answered "yes" to the second one, what was your included explanation with your application?

 

If you answered "no" to any of those questions, you also misrepresented yourself, and appears your voter registration came up during background/name checks.

 

You can renew your green card, but forget about citizenship for a while.  I would suggest also getting yourself removed from the voter registration list.

Since she was asked specifically about the 2016 presidential elections, I bet the officer had evidence that she voted (I mean, these background checks are there for a reason).  That would explain the sudden moment of "candor" during the interview.  I also bet she answered no to all the relevant questions "by mistake."  Of course, I'm probably wrong.  We all make mistakes. 

[Roel 7,192]

I wonder how is it possible to accidently go to the voting booth and accidently vote and also accidently not be aware that voting is US citizen privilege, all then when you live in the US for 20 years... hmmmm. 

 

Honestly, it's ignorance. It's 5 second Google search to see if green card holder can vote or not. 

 

I don't see how any immigration see all that and think: yeah, I'm sure this long time resident did that all just by mistake. Yeah, right.  

[Going through 5,671]

5 minutes ago, shomer said:

Since she was asked specifically about the 2016 presidential elections, I bet the officer had evidence that she voted (I mean, these background checks are there for a reason).  That would explain the sudden moment of "candor" during the interview.  I also bet she answered no to all the relevant questions "by mistake."  Of course, I'm probably wrong.  We all make mistakes. 

Yeah through my own immigration journey since my AOS days, I quickly realized that IOs tend to already know the answers to questions they ask...same with POE officers...and are just trying to see if a person's responses match up to the info they have infront of them.  

 

Still curious as to how she filled out the application itself, though.  I mean, the questions are pretty clear and leave little room for misunderstanding.