Starbucks bans straws......endsup using MORE plastic..

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

32 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

Is it just me, or has the new post indicator gone haywire?

 

not just you. I expect better than that for my money 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

56 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

Isn't' that why you wash your hands before you start preparing food?

 

I believe that many in this country are waaaaay to worried about germs. My family has had reusable bags for many many years and no one has gotten salmonella. I know a lot of people here freak out about the thought of eating raw cookie dough or batter. Done that all my life and never gotten sick. 

 

Here in America, we sanitize everything top to bottom and there is a higher rate of allergies and asthma... Because the body never gets a chance to fight off germs and build up an immune system. 

I agree with you, just saying salmonella can exist outside the packages and get in your bags.  How long would it live afterwards?  Too hard to guess.

 

I eat raw cookie dough, raw steak, raw hamburger, and various other “germy” food, to include when it falls on the floor.  I cook my chicken medium rare.  No harm, no foul.  I know a woman whose kids were sick quite often, in spite of her cleaning extensively and not allowing anyone to be around her kids for the first 6 months of their life.  

[Unidentified 2,930]

4 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

I agree with you, just saying salmonella can exist outside the packages and get in your bags.  How long would it live afterwards?  Too hard to guess.

 

I eat raw cookie dough, raw steak, raw hamburger, and various other “germy” food, to include when it falls on the floor.  I cook my chicken medium rare.  No harm, no foul.  I know a woman whose kids were sick quite often, in spite of her cleaning extensively and not allowing anyone to be around her kids for the first 6 months of their life.  

1-4 hours on hard surfaces or fabrics. 

 

https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/infections/how-long-do-bacteria-and-viruses-live-outside-the-body/

[TBoneTX 46,041]

2 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

we use some of our plastic bags for the dogs second business

By extension, once-used condoms can be used a second time (for their intended purpose) on the beaches of Miami.  Would cut litter/pollution up to 50%.

[yuna628 9,707]

1 hour ago, Unidentified said:

I don't really see the point when everything is in sealed packages or bags. The bags are not touching food. The germs can't make it through the packaging. 

Well I don't know about you but our local grocery store never ceases to leave me speechless with the amount of dumb that goes on over there. If I go to buy raw meat, usually I'll find a package that despite being sealed in plastic, it's started leaking through everywhere. Now for packages like that, they provide a roll of plastic bags. Sometimes you find one that doesn't seem to be leaking, or you may have picked up a package that you didn't know had been leaked onto by another one. So you struggle to get the package into the plastic bags annoyingly hoping you're not making an even bigger mess in the process, meanwhile your hands are a mess, and don't go looking for hand sanitizer either because it's impossible to find in the store for customers. Now you get to check out and the airhead dumb dumb chucks your raw meat in with let's say your deli meat or even your vegetables, baked goods, or other perishables. Maybe you realize it before it's too late and correct them, or maybe you don't. By the time you get home you've found the meat has now leaked all over the perishable items......

 

Now it's a no brainer in grocery check out world not to bag raw things with perishable items.... but it seems like this new generation doesn't think like that. This week I actually had one ask me if I wanted it done that way... a really strange thing to ask. Why wouldn't you want the items separated? That's just a few of the many unsafe food practices I've seen this store do. They don't even give us an option for paper anymore. I can imagine it would be worse if you had a reusable cloth bag.

[Unidentified 2,930]

1 minute ago, yuna628 said:

Well I don't know about you but our local grocery store never ceases to leave me speechless with the amount of dumb that goes on over there. If I go to buy raw meat, usually I'll find a package that despite being sealed in plastic, it's started leaking through everywhere. Now for packages like that, they provide a roll of plastic bags. Sometimes you find one that doesn't seem to be leaking, or you may have picked up a package that you didn't know had been leaked onto by another one. So you struggle to get the package into the plastic bags annoyingly hoping you're not making an even bigger mess in the process, meanwhile your hands are a mess, and don't go looking for hand sanitizer either because it's impossible to find in the store for customers. Now you get to check out and the airhead dumb dumb chucks your raw meat in with let's say your deli meat or even your vegetables, baked goods, or other perishables. Maybe you realize it before it's too late and correct them, or maybe you don't. By the time you get home you've found the meat has now leaked all over the perishable items......

 

Now it's a no brainer in grocery check out world not to bag raw things with perishable items.... but it seems like this new generation doesn't think like that. This week I actually had one ask me if I wanted it done that way... a really strange thing to ask. Why wouldn't you want the items separated? That's just a few of the many unsafe food practices I've seen this store do. They don't even give us an option for paper anymore. I can imagine it would be worse if you had a reusable cloth bag.

I have never had that issue and I bag my stuff my self. EVERYTHING goes into the same bag. It is huge (I have two off them, brought them from Sweden) and I love it because I don't have to do multiple trips with tiny tiny useless plastic bags up and down 2 flights of stairs plus a decent walk from the car to my apartment. Guess I have been lucky that my sealed stuff has never been leaking. 

[Dashinka 24,757]

1 hour ago, Unidentified said:

Isn't' that why you wash your hands before you start preparing food?

 

I believe that many in this country are waaaaay to worried about germs. My family has had reusable bags for many many years and no one has gotten salmonella. I know a lot of people here freak out about the thought of eating raw cookie dough or batter. Done that all my life and never gotten sick. 

 

Here in America, we sanitize everything top to bottom and there is a higher rate of allergies and asthma... Because the body never gets a chance to fight off germs and build up an immune system. 

I don't freak out over raw dough and quite honestly, raw kibbe is one of my favorite ME dishes, I am just pointing out stories about re-usable bags.  On the whole they are great, but personally I would wash them occasionally.  Heck, I assume you wash the clothes you wear occasionally.

[Dashinka 24,757]

45 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

I agree with you, just saying salmonella can exist outside the packages and get in your bags.  How long would it live afterwards?  Too hard to guess.

 

I eat raw cookie dough, raw steak, raw hamburger, and various other “germy” food, to include when it falls on the floor.  I cook my chicken medium rare.  No harm, no foul.  I know a woman whose kids were sick quite often, in spite of her cleaning extensively and not allowing anyone to be around her kids for the first 6 months of their life.  

She should let her kids eat dirt occasionally.  I wonder if that is why nut allergies are so prevalent today.

[yuna628 9,707]

18 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

I have never had that issue and I bag my stuff my self. EVERYTHING goes into the same bag. It is huge (I have two off them, brought them from Sweden) and I love it because I don't have to do multiple trips with tiny tiny useless plastic bags up and down 2 flights of stairs plus a decent walk from the car to my apartment. Guess I have been lucky that my sealed stuff has never been leaking. 

Oh they don't let you bag your own stuff here unless you use self check out, which is only 15 items or less. The only place I've seen in this town that allows you to self checkout large grocery orders is a newly upgraded walmart.

[Unidentified 2,930]

Just now, yuna628 said:

Oh they don't let you bag your own stuff here unless you use self check out, which is only 15 items or less. The only place I've seen in this town that allows you to self checkout large grocery orders is a newly upgraded walmart.

We have a store here called Giant and they thankfully do not put a limit on the amount of groceries. I really don't like when someone else packs my groceries.

4 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I don't freak out over raw dough and quite honestly, raw kibbe is one of my favorite ME dishes, I am just pointing out stories about re-usable bags.  On the whole they are great, but personally I would wash them occasionally.  Heck, I assume you wash the clothes you wear occasionally.

If something would spill in them or they visibility dirty I'll wash them. But like mentioned earlier: germs doesn't last long on fabric. 

[yuna628 9,707]

Just now, Unidentified said:

We have a store here called Giant and they thankfully do not put a limit on the amount of groceries. I really don't like when someone else packs my groceries.

Me neither. Giant was a favorite of mine when I lived in the city... but the closest to this town is well up in the next state. Recently returned from Virginia and did some shopping in a Harris Teeter. My god, it was a beautiful pleasure in there.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

 

57 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Well I don't know about you but our local grocery store never ceases to leave me speechless with the amount of dumb that goes on over there. If I go to buy raw meat, usually I'll find a package that despite being sealed in plastic, it's started leaking through everywhere. Now for packages like that, they provide a roll of plastic bags. Sometimes you find one that doesn't seem to be leaking, or you may have picked up a package that you didn't know had been leaked onto by another one. So you struggle to get the package into the plastic bags annoyingly hoping you're not making an even bigger mess in the process, meanwhile your hands are a mess, and don't go looking for hand sanitizer either because it's impossible to find in the store for customers. Now you get to check out and the airhead dumb dumb chucks your raw meat in with let's say your deli meat or even your vegetables, baked goods, or other perishables. Maybe you realize it before it's too late and correct them, or maybe you don't. By the time you get home you've found the meat has now leaked all over the perishable items......

 

Now it's a no brainer in grocery check out world not to bag raw things with perishable items.... but it seems like this new generation doesn't think like that. This week I actually had one ask me if I wanted it done that way... a really strange thing to ask. Why wouldn't you want the items separated? That's just a few of the many unsafe food practices I've seen this store do. They don't even give us an option for paper anymore. I can imagine it would be worse if you had a reusable cloth bag.

 

   I had to stop a guy at the checkout once from putting raw ground beef in the same bag as baby food. Then I had to explain why it was a bad idea. I just don't think there is such a thing as a no brainer any more.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

20 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

 

   I had to stop a guy at the checkout once from putting raw ground beef in the same bag as baby food. Then I had to explain why it was a bad idea. I just don't think there is such a thing as a no brainer any more.

Assuming the baby food was in a sealed package... would it really matter?  Steak Tartar with Apricots.  Mmmmm.

[Unidentified 2,930]

24 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

 

   I had to stop a guy at the checkout once from putting raw ground beef in the same bag as baby food. Then I had to explain why it was a bad idea. I just don't think there is such a thing as a no brainer any more.

They're in closed containers, what's the harm? 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

Just now, Unidentified said:

They're in closed containers, what's the harm? 

 

   Almost all ground beef nowadays is going to be contaminated with bacteria. It's likely to be wrapped in plastic that is relatively easy to puncture. Babies have weak immune systems. The microbiologist in me already see's a problem brewing there. 

 

   Several common bacteria can survive on a surface for weeks. Bacteria like Salmonella cannot be washed off with soap and water. Bacteria like Pseudomonas can survive and grow in a bleach solution. Some enterobacteria species cannot be killed with alcohol.

 

  It's not a chance I would take. If you butchered an animal yourself, you could probably feed the meat to your kids raw without much risk. The average package of raw meat that we buy in stores today is just not sanitary enough to handle that way.